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Posted 12 April 2007 - 09:30 PM

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iPhone has already passed several of its required certification tests and is on schedule to ship in late June as planned. We can’t wait until customers get their hands (and fingers) on it and experience what a revolutionary and magical product it is. However, iPhone contains the most sophisticated software ever shipped on a mobile device, and finishing it on time has not come without a price — we had to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from our Mac OS X team, and as a result we will not be able to release Leopard at our Worldwide Developers Conference in early June as planned. While Leopard's features will be complete by then, we cannot deliver the quality release that we and our customers expect from us. We now plan to show our developers a near final version of Leopard at the conference, give them a beta copy to take home so they can do their final testing, and ship Leopard in October. We think it will be well worth the wait. Life often presents tradeoffs, and in this case we're sure we've made the right ones. [Apr 12, 2007]


'tis a bit of a shame - but it does at-least look like the 'top-secret' features that are in there will be pretty significant if they need further development time rather than just fixing the bugs present in the current builds!
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 09:44 PM

Man this sucks, kind of a weak excuse. Why develop a product when you don't have the team in place to do the work.
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 09:49 PM

Awwwww, Leopard was coinciding with my birthday in June. Now the question is, do I wait or no?
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 10:02 PM

Oh goody, now to wait 6 months for the bug fix to networking problems in TextMate and actually having useful features in Delicious Library, since both developers said the next version would be Leopard only and the TextMate developer said the bug I am referring to will only be fixed in v2

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Now to wait for all the Apple fanboys coming out with things like "well it is to make sure they ship a quality product", the same people that would and do call Microsoft "incompetent" for doing the same.

Just for a stupid phone that I care nothing about :'(

Love the digg crowd, apparently Vista was delayed for 6 years, which is a bit difficult since XP wasn't even released 6 years ago. I guess they can't count wink.gif
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 10:13 PM

It's still better than Vista's delays. I'm going to risk Stephen calling me a fanboy by saying that when you look at the promised features, the amount of time taken and the actual delivered features in Vista - versus what will happen with Leopard, they're still doing better than Microsoft did. tongue.gif The 'statement' amuses me, it basically reads like "oops we ran out of staff".

In seriousness, I'm quite disappointed as Apple seem to be quite good at releasing products when they say they will - and it was due for release just after my birthday, as well, when I'd have had money. However, I'm perfectly happy with 10.4 at the moment, and another 4 months or so won't make that much difference to me. It's the world of software, delays happen all the time - whether it's Apple or Microsoft or any other company.
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 10:14 PM

I find it funny now, in retrospect, how at last year's WWDC Serlet made a big deal about how Vista was constantly delayed, and now Leopard itself is being delayed. I know... four months isn't the same as several years, but it just goes to show you the arrogance that reeks in Apple's PA. It's only fair that they get bashed for delaying their OS just like Microsoft gets based for delaying Vista.
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 10:31 PM

Bah pinch.gif I was thinking of grabbing a new Macbook with 10.5... I don't wanna wait! :'(
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 10:44 PM

QUOTE(LilJames @ Apr 12 2007, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
....versus what will happen with Leopard....


Yes, all those stunning features like mail templates and multiple desktops and the amazing new top secret feature that no one cares about anymore wink.gif

Seriously though I'm not all that fussed about Leopard, other than because of the two products I have previously mentioned, Delicious Library is a useless piece of crap, I find myself using Parallels just to run DVD profiler and TextMate is always freezing up on me at work simply because the files are stored on an SMB share. Both of these problems are said to be fixed in the next versions, but the next versions of both products are Leopard only. getlost.gif

I'd be less annoyed if it was delayed simply because of the time it takes to develop, but it isn't, it has been delayed for a phone, a gadget that isn't even Apples core market and isn't going to be released in Europe anytime soon and even if it were I wouldn't get one because of the price. Seems I'm not the only one with that opinion reading the comments on digg (which is also rather humourous since a few weeks ago they wouldn't shut up about the iPhone, now none of them care about it wink.gif but still I agree with their latest opinions)
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 10:44 PM

Looking at Apple Inc. I think the 10.5 will be worth the wait so that you can get is fast and have there not be a bunch of bugs
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 11:14 PM

What really gets me:
Apple use to release every major version, now they re-release with every minor version... why?

Anyway as I say with any delayed product: So what, as long as it comes out quality and is worth the wait, people need not complain, however I agree with the fanboy comment made above that some people seriously look at things in a skewed way.
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 11:20 PM

I believe it will be worth the wait.
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 01:13 AM

QUOTE(Strange_Will @ Apr 12 2007, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What really gets me:
Apple use to release every major version, now they re-release with every minor version... why?

Anyway as I say with any delayed product: So what, as long as it comes out quality and is worth the wait, people need not complain, however I agree with the fanboy comment made above that some people seriously look at things in a skewed way.



To answer your question....

Mac OS X is an extremely sophisticated, stable operating system. Mac OS 9 and below of course were not. The OS systems 2-6 were originally developed by Apple, and were lacking in a few departments. Apple's computer technology didn't take advantage of color options even if the hardware had implemented the facilities to support color management. Apple soon after "fixed" this problem by introducing QuickDraw. Apple soon after began developing other operating systems ( called GS/OS & A/UX ). Around 1981, Apple engineers gathered and began planning for their most sophisticated operating system, system 7. System 7 however was delayed due to resources being spread into other development sectors mainly with the operating systems mentioned above.

Around 1990, Mac OS finally started getting more attention and system 7 was released a year later. It was revolutionary due to Multi-Finder ( running more than one application ) and had built-in networking. It was a great operating system, however this is where things got shakey with Apple's operating system. Apple was desperately looking for a processor to give the system its edge. They first partnered with the Acorn Computer Group ( I believe ) to create the RISC processor which was featured in one of Apple's handhelds. Their partnership eventually developed into an enterprise relationship between Apple, IBM, and Motorola. In the mean time, Mac OS was being rewritten to support each processor upgrade for these machines. The partnership between Apple, IBM, and Motorola gave birth to the PowerPC architecture and that's when development was focused totally on PowerPC. Mac OS 7 Had seen several releases before it finally supported the Power PC architecture ( Mac OS 7.1.2 ). The early releases of Mac OS literally lacked a base that ran Power PC native code. The entire operating system was being run through an emulator to ensure backwards compatibility with previous apple software. Sometime later, when Microsoft began taking over, Steve Jobs was stripped of his job and he began developing a new company called NeXT Computer, Inc. He spent several million dollars developing this company and it began to boom, introducing innovative technology ( mostly developer centric ). Most of the components of NeXT were extremely flexible and bore many applications that we use today. Tim Burnerlee developed the first webserver on a NeXT computer. This was when the projects like Interface Builder and Project builder, which are eventually ported to Mac OS X. Apple began to take interest in NeXT around this time. NEXTSTEP 2.0 ( written with Objective-C as the native language ) was when Apple began to fancy NeXT computing.

During that time, apple began to decrease in standards while NeXT flourished. This is when Mac OS was becoming more disorganized. NeXT Computing eventually developed a software development architecture known as OPENSTEP and partnered with Sun Microsystems to create it. This sophisticated technology would eventually be the basis of Mac OS X.

Around 1997, Apple bought out NeXT computing and its engineers, having the current engineers focus on the already extremely focused platform called WebObjects and the NeXT engineers began working on the new operating system called Mac OS X. In between all this, a new operating system called Rhapsody DR1 ( I believe ) was created and a roadmap of sorts for Mac OS X was soon created. It took about 3 years for them to develop the new strategy for developing Mac OS X. Soon after an update of Rhapsody ( Mac OS X 1.0 ) was released, Apple began developing the new core eventually named Darwin. Later on, it became the core of Mac OS X. Around this time, Apple began implementing a new development strategy that featured the "No-throw away" technique that all previous versions of Mac OS lacked. The developers began writing the code with OS X, and instead of rewriting large portions of code and throwing away work, they began updating and improving current code. Apple introduced the Carbon API which was an overhaul of the "Classic" Mac OS's API. Carbon eventually was updated and Cocoa was born.

So basically, after Steve Jobs and its impressive engineers ( 5 of whom were originally developers from the "old" Apple ) were ported in from NeXT Computing, Apple began improving their practices which eventually led to Jobs being reinstated as CEO.


Anyway, back on topic...

Although I am an Apple fanboy, I really think they should get the same grief as Microsoft... I personally felt like Apple had just turned on their copiers when I read that. I also haven't been too worried about Leopard or interested in the iPhone. I personally don't see Apple as a high priority company right now. Why would you spend your resources on a stupid phone no one ( meaning millions ) are going to get and focus on the operating system that has made you millions. But oh well. If Apple drops the ball this time, they'll find a way to pick it up by stealing someone else's fantastic ideas like virtual desktop. heh.. Spaces... what a joke.
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 01:23 AM

So basically OSX 10.5 is really OSX 5.0 is what you're saying? Just someone decided to screw up the way software revisions are done for the hell of it?
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 01:25 AM

Basically.... it really is. They updated the versioning to reflect their new strategy.
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 02:12 AM

I don't think there will be any top-secret features at the time of release.

http://www.macrumors...eopard-release/

"Apple goes on to state that while Leopard will be feature-complete by WWDC, they could not 'deliver the quality release that we and our customers expect from us.' Developers will be given a "near-final" beta copy of Leopard at the Worldwide Developers Conference in early June."

Any features won't be secrets after WWDC.
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Post icon  Posted 13 April 2007 - 03:19 AM

QUOTE(Grant @ Apr 12 2007, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Although I am an Apple fanboy, I really think they should get the same grief as Microsoft... I personally felt like Apple had just turned on their copiers when I read that. I also haven't been too worried about Leopard or interested in the iPhone. I personally don't see Apple as a high priority company right now. Why would you spend your resources on a stupid phone no one ( meaning millions ) are going to get and focus on the operating system that has made you millions. But oh well. If Apple drops the ball this time, they'll find a way to pick it up by stealing someone else's fantastic ideas like virtual desktop. heh.. Spaces... what a joke.

I agree with you on this. Apple is so quick to point out all the times that Microsoft has supposedly copied from them, and yet they conveniently leave out the fact that their so-called "innovative" Spaces is just a copy of a feature that has been in Linux, FreeBSD, etc. for decades. Not to mention that Time Machine is somewhat similar to System Restore and shadow copies that have been in Windows for several years.
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 05:28 AM

QUOTE(Grant @ Apr 12 2007, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Basically.... it really is. They updated the versioning to reflect their new strategy.

Well you can't really upgrade a standard that everyone but you agrees on. wink.gif
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 08:54 AM

How annoying, I was looking forward to having a new operating system to play with over summer. Seems a a shame they used their resources on the iPhone rather than the computer OS but according to some predictions theats where the money is going to be for them.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 03:51 PM

QUOTE(Quillz @ Apr 12 2007, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I find it funny now, in retrospect, how at last year's WWDC Serlet made a big deal about how Vista was constantly delayed, and now Leopard itself is being delayed. I know... four months isn't the same as several years, but it just goes to show you the arrogance that reeks in Apple's PA. It's only fair that they get bashed for delaying their OS just like Microsoft gets based for delaying Vista.

Um... four months? Actually it's more like a full year.
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Mac OS X v10.5 has been the subject of multiple delays. When first discussed in June 2005, Apple CEO Steve Jobs had stated that Apple intends to release Leopard at the end of 2006 or early 2007. A year later, this was revised to "Spring 2007", and on April 12, 2007, Apple issued a statement that its release would be put off until October because Apple needed to move some of its workers from the Leopard team to the iPhone team.


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Either way, this pretty much settles it for me. I won't be getting a Mac anytime soon.
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 03:57 PM

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Apple is so quick to point out all the times that Microsoft has supposedly copied from them, and yet they conveniently leave out the fact that their so-called "innovative" Spaces is just a copy of a feature that has been in Linux, FreeBSD, etc. for decades.


That's just marketing. Not that I condone it.

Anyway, the delay is to make sure that they ship a quality product and it's not like they're incompetent like Microsoft.
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