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[Fast Lane!]

Mesmer, on 05 March 2009 - 05:19 PM, said:

Also nice to read:
Current international web sites warning against Internet Explorer 6

A Wiki, Facebook group and a Twitter hash tag.

I have never heard of any of these to be honest.  Yahoo.com, MSN.com, MSNBC.com, cnn.com, digg.com, facebook.com, slashdot.org, foxnews.com, myspace.com, etc... all support IE6 and I doubt that will change soon.

[AlbusDumbledore]

As soon as most get ride of W98 and move to XP, then IE6 will faze out.

[Mesmer]

Fast Lane!, on 05 March 2009 - 05:27 PM, said:

I have never heard of any of these to be honest.  Yahoo.com, MSN.com, MSNBC.com, cnn.com, digg.com, facebook.com, slashdot.org, foxnews.com, myspace.com, etc... all support IE6 and I doubt that will change soon.

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Facebook doesn’t really support IE6

Blimey. I didn’t realise that Facebook are trending down support for IE6. The “new look� is disabled, and if you use the old look you get a big message complaining about your browser choice:

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[Fast Lane!]

Mesmer, on 05 March 2009 - 05:33 PM, said:

Link

Valid point.  But they still chose to build in a fully functional skin (versus a very reduced and limited skin).

[Fast Lane!]

AlbusDumbledore, on 05 March 2009 - 05:30 PM, said:

As soon as most get ride of W98 and move to XP, then IE6 will faze out.

Yes.  I would say we should at a minimum wait until Windows 7 / IE8 are final and released.  This will help spell the end of IE6 especially with the EOL notice for IE6 just over a year out.  This will force everyone to upgrade and solve the issue.  I hope IPB can hold on to support for it until then.  The other (and less terrific option) is if IPB extends it EOL notice for IPB 2.x out until then and provides bug and technical support to then.  Even if this was not an option I would not upgrade to IPB 3.x for likely 3-6 months after its release to allow any latent bugs and security flaws to be found and fixed.

[Cybertimber2009]

Fast Lane!, on 05 March 2009 - 05:34 PM, said:

Valid point.  But they still chose to build in a fully functional skin (versus a very reduced and limited skin).

...which is EXACTLY what IPS is doing?  The skin will be fully functional but have some appearance glitches in IE6 only.

[Dll]

I really can't understand the point you're making Fast Lane, in order to fully support IE6, IPB would have to remove the features in 3.0 which are using the new technology which is spreading across the web at the moment. If they did that, then IPB would lag way behind many of the other forums and social networking sites out there and would risk alienating the 77% of people who are used to the new technology and come to expect the features it brings.

Are you seriously saying they should do this?

[bfarber]

Fast Lane!, on 05 March 2009 - 05:13 PM, said:

NBC:
http://boards.nbc.co...dex.php?act=idx

Nvidia:
http://forums.nvidia...dex.php?act=idx

For NBC, this is the stock 2.x skin with a simple bit of html in the wrapper around it to "integrate it" into the rest of the site.  For Nvidia it is nearly stock entirely.  If they did this with IPB 3.x it would have the problems I discussed with IE6.

Firstly, I assure you, boards.nbc.com is pretty heavily customized all in all.  Trust me - I've done a lot of work on it.



At the end of the day, pushing support for IE6 for another year does JUST that, and we would be having this same discussion then (just like this discussion came up a year ago, and when IE7 first came out - those points we did agree it was too early to move away from IE6).

[Fast Lane!]

bfarber, on 05 March 2009 - 06:00 PM, said:

Firstly, I assure you, boards.nbc.com is pretty heavily customized all in all.  Trust me - I've done a lot of work on it.



At the end of the day, pushing support for IE6 for another year does JUST that, and we would be having this same discussion then (just like this discussion came up a year ago, and when IE7 first came out - those points we did agree it was too early to move away from IE6).

I have a solution that I hesitate to offer...  Because it works against me and others in my shoes.  The solution is if IPB will offer 2.2.x support for bugs and "hack" fixes, etc...  only .x upgrades to 2.2.x in other words... This would create an EOL date possibly until IE6 reaches it's EOL notice next summer.  Thoughts?  It would provide an avenue that makes everyone happy with the only cost being some legacy support on the side of IPB.

[rct2·com]

I'm kind of expecting InVision to continue support for IPB2 for a while, and waiting for an announcement on this. A lot of customers seem to like their mods and these are going to need serious review and changes to work with IPB3. For those who think they will still want to mod the actual code, then they still don't have their hands [officially] on unencoded source yet.

And there are those who are tied into hosts who are resistant to upgrading their servers to run PHP5, required by IPB3.

[Fast Lane!]

A good read on people's opinions on Digg:

http://digg.com/linu...e_threatens_IE7

[Dan]

Fast Lane!, on 05 March 2009 - 06:48 PM, said:

A good read on people's opinions on Digg:

http://digg.com/linu...e_threatens_IE7

Digg should never be used as a reference for discussion. You'll kill your own argument, even if the Digg community support you.

As long as the default IP.Board skin is functional and degrades gracefully for IE6, I think that's more than enough to cover this issue. It's only if it degrades badly (completely wrongly placed elements, crashes, functionality issues, etc.) that I'd have a problem.

[Jimi Wikman]

In Norway the website Finn.no started a small revolution against IE6 that has catched on here in the cold north by several companies adding notices to IE6 users that their browser is old and unsecure. It even got the approval from Microsoft that support getting rid of the pesky browser from hell. Besides the obvious problems with security in a decade old browser it is also limiting and causing harm to the overall use of the internet because so many still use it and we bend over backwards to please the morons and ignorent bastards that still use it. By doing this we, the designers, shoot ourselves in the foot.

IE6 should have been long gone had we not been such chickens about loosing income and its more then high time to let go of that ugly beast.
If you are worried about loosing customers have them upgrade to a more secure browser before they can enter the website...you would be doing them, youself and the rest of the world a favor or we will still build backwards websites in another decade because some people are more conscerned about money than accessibility and security.

Grow some balls, or ovaries depending on your gender and do what needs to be done.
http://www.google.se...btnG=Sök&meta=

[Mark]

rct2dotcom, on 05 March 2009 - 06:24 PM, said:

I'm kind of expecting InVision to continue support for IPB2 for a while, and waiting for an announcement on this. A lot of customers seem to like their mods and these are going to need serious review and changes to work with IPB3. For those who think they will still want to mod the actual code, then they still don't have their hands [officially] on unencoded source yet.

And there are those who are tied into hosts who are resistant to upgrading their servers to run PHP5, required by IPB3.

We will continue providing tech support for 2.3.6 for the forseeable future, but there will be no more updates.

[Amy T]

I wonder if in a few years we will be seeing topics about not supporting ie7.

For me personally I like using the newest software and hate using older outdated software. How ever my members are not that lucky. I know I have at least one member who has such an older computer he can not update the browser.

He is using IE5 and already has issues on my site. The part of my site that works the best for him is ocportal but ocportal does a really good job at staying browser compatible. Although I like looking through the code and seeing IEsucks in the css and templates. LOL.

I have no idea what will happen when I finally do upgrade to IPB 3. Will I loose the members who already have issues with IE 5 or will they stay. Although I do know one of them is planning on getting a new computer so maybe by the time he gets that ipb 3 will be out.

[sparc]

Amy T, on 06 March 2009 - 01:10 PM, said:

I wonder if in a few years we will be seeing topics about not supporting ie7.

I'm thinking it might depend on how successful Windows 7 is.   If it really takes off where both consumers and businesses switch, it might not be as bad as IE6.

[Jimi Wikman]

Amy T, on 06 March 2009 - 01:10 PM, said:

I wonder if in a few years we will be seeing topics about not supporting ie7.

For me personally I like using the newest software and hate using older outdated software. How ever my members are not that lucky. I know I have at least one member who has such an older computer he can not update the browser.

He is using IE5 and already has issues on my site. The part of my site that works the best for him is ocportal but ocportal does a really good job at staying browser compatible. Although I like looking through the code and seeing IEsucks in the css and templates. LOL.

I have no idea what will happen when I finally do upgrade to IPB 3. Will I loose the members who already have issues with IE 5 or will they stay. Although I do know one of them is planning on getting a new computer so maybe by the time he gets that ipb 3 will be out.

I am sure we will even see topics about not supporting IE8, but probably not in the same context
IE7 will probably be less of a problem than IE6 as people will most likely upgrade to IE8 rather than IE7 when they finally give up IE6.

If your member has a computer that can not use IE6, then I think he has far worse problems than your site not showing up properly...he is using a calculator If its a financial issue that prevent him from getting a computer on this side of the 21st century he has my sympathies otherwise I would strongly suggest that he get a computer that has a little more power to it...IE6 has a  minimum requirement of 16-32MB RAM for crying out loud and even with a 486/66Mhz with windows 98 you could get it working: http://www.microsoft...qs/default.mspx

Are you sure that he really has a computer that is more than 15 years old or is he just not that technical about it? The thought of sitting in front of anything less capable than a 486/66mhz and less than 16mb ram makes me shudder...it would take ages to do anything!

[Amy T]

Yes it is really that old.
I have talked to him many times about it and even unintentionally made him feel guilty for having such an old machine. From my understanding he does not have the money to get a new computer but will be getting a used one as a gift soon. At one time I tried to get him to install linux on his  computer, one of those distros that works with old computer but has new browsers.

[Mesmer]

Would be nice if v3 showed a message like facebook does, see picture a view posts up click

[Ryan H.]

Amy T, on 06 March 2009 - 01:10 PM, said:

I wonder if in a few years we will be seeing topics about not supporting ie7.

I think that's probably unlikely... whether it falls behind the latest browsers and technology or not [and it will], it is still far enough along in standards support that there are no major discrepancies between that and the other major browsers. Assuming the basic standards stay the same, the only issues it will run into are not supporting the latest and greatest of CSS, but that is purely a visual difference and by nature it should degrade perfectly.

I rarely have compatibility issues moving from what I've developed in Firefox to IE7.