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#1 Enkidu

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 08:00 AM

Hello

Recently, IPS has introduced marketplace APIs where paid file submitters can get a list of who have purchased their files along with their email addresses. While I really love the marketplace idea because I don't have to register and pass my information to potentially less secure websites everytime I wanna purchase something, but with features always come the possibility of abuse.

I just don't get why you guys wanna give our emails to third parties? Emails are supposed to be private and we haven't really given you permission to do so. Besides, how is that gonna benefit the developers? What's in it for them? Wouldn't you think that they might try to contact the people who purchased their files through the emails they've scraped? How is that beneficial to contributors? I don't get it. How my email is going to be useful to files submitters.

and why emails? Why not display names? why not member IDs? why does it have to be emails? I really don't wanna make a :frantics: about it but, IMO, emails should be kept private unless we give the permission to pass it to whom ever you want.


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Posted 23 November 2010 - 08:23 AM

http://community.inv...rketplace-apis/


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Posted 23 November 2010 - 08:36 AM

The API is only available to authors of paid files in the Marketplace. Seeing as you are purchasing something from them it seems logical that they may need to contact you for update announcements, technical support, etc.

Before you purchase the file it clearly states on the download disclaimer that your email address will be revealed to the author if, and only if, you actually click purchase, go to PayPal, and submit payment. If you do not wish to reveal your email address then do not complete that process. To your point about permission: by completing the payment process you are giving permission.
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Posted 23 November 2010 - 08:38 AM

Where's the fire? A way to contact buyers of paid apps doesn't strike as odd.
The same cant be said of free addons, needless to precise. When no money exchange takes place, there is no entitlement to the emails of downloaders. Customers' own marketplaces could be abused by malicious file submitters to hoard emails (could bypass a board default of not allowing other members to see each other's email adresses).
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Posted 23 November 2010 - 08:47 AM

The API is only available to authors of paid files in the Marketplace. Seeing as you are purchasing something from them it seems logical that they may need to contact you for update announcements, technical support, etc.

Before you purchase the file it clearly states on the download disclaimer that your email address will be revealed to the author if, and only if, you actually click purchase, go to PayPal, and submit payment. If you do not wish to reveal your email address then do not complete that process. To your point about permission: by completing the payment process you are giving permission.


OK that seems legally sound. But It's not abuse safe. You said it yourself, the authors might, and actually will, contact me about updates...in theory but in a real world they gonna spam me about new products.

As for getting updates, I thought this feature is already there in IP.D.

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 08:49 AM

Authors must ask for API access to be enabled. If they abuse it we can revoke it.

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 08:52 AM

Authors must ask for API access to be enabled. If they abuse it we can revoke it.


just one last (stupid) question please, are they gonna get my PayPal email or my board email?

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 08:53 AM

The email address here on the forums.

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 08:54 AM

The email address here on the forums.



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Posted 23 November 2010 - 11:20 AM

Just keep in mind...if we weren't acting as the middleman, and you purchased the file directly from the author, they'd get your email address (the one you use for PayPal) anyways. :)
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Posted 23 November 2010 - 02:36 PM

The email address here on the forums.


Not really a good idea.
I'm going to change my address here from myemail@some.com to myemail@sometingelse.com for the purpose of the file purchase.
Forget to change it back and and important emails from IPS are going to the new address,not in use anymore.
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Posted 23 November 2010 - 03:47 PM

Not really a good idea.
I'm going to change my address here from myemail@some.com to myemail@sometingelse.com for the purpose of the file purchase.
Forget to change it back and and important emails from IPS are going to the new address,not in use anymore.


:unsure: Don't do that then?
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Posted 23 November 2010 - 03:56 PM

If anyone do not want share with email, then send PM to the mod author, he give you ( or should ) PayPal @ - send him $, he'll send you mod. Easy.

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 04:03 PM

If anyone do not want share with email, then send PM to the mod author, he give you ( or should ) PayPal @ - send him $, he'll send you mod. Easy.

Disregarding that sending a payment through Paypal gives them your email anyway...


As Brandon and Charles said, nothing has really changed here--IPS is just acting as the middleman now, and warning you that we resource authors might ask for details on who's bought our products to help provide better support.

I have no intention of using the data for anything beside record-keeping, myself.
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Posted 23 November 2010 - 04:25 PM

Just keep in mind...if we weren't acting as the middleman, and you purchased the file directly from the author, they'd get your email address (the one you use for PayPal) anyways. :)


yeah I know. That's why I love the new idea :)

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 04:40 PM

So you trust us that we don't put backdoors, trojans, or other malicious stuff into our modifications that could break (or delete) your forum (I know the Marketplace moderators will spot that now2), but you are afraid that we're going to "spam" your email with upcoming products and updates, or sell it to a 3rd party?
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Posted 23 November 2010 - 04:44 PM

To clarify:

  • The fact that an email address is revealed is clearly disclosed before purchase.
  • It is only shown on PAID files and ONLY if you actually buy that file.
  • Only the author of the file can access it, with permission, via a special API.
  • If the author abuses that privilege their access to the Marketplace will be revoked.

If you are not comfortable for some reason with any of the above do not purchase files from the Marketplace.
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Posted 23 November 2010 - 04:54 PM

I don't see how people expect mod authors to keep a list and details about their sales without an email. Almost every site now adays need that information, and even if you didn't purchase directly from the marketplace here, many sites require you to sign up before purchase, and they can still get your email.

Most legally operating sites are required to have a Unsubscribe button anyways, so I don't see what the big problem is.I for one would never sell something without getting some type of information for my records and a contact address should something go wrong, or if they need support.

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 04:55 PM

So you trust us that we don't put backdoors, trojans, or other malicious stuff into our modifications that could break (or delete) your forum (I know the Marketplace moderators will spot that now2), but you are afraid that we're going to "spam" your email with upcoming products and updates, or sell it to a 3rd party?


No. It's not like that. Firstly, I don't install anyone's mod but rather the ones I trust. Secondly, there are people who are going to abuse the system (Murphy's Law). I'm not saying everyone is going to but it only takes one bad person to ruin my life.

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 08:52 PM

Again, however, if you had purchased the file directly from the modification author outside of our site, they'd have your PayPal email address anyways. So you're not really exposing anything now that you wouldn't have before. There really is nothing to be concerned about. If you were going to buy the file, the author would have your email address already anyways.
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