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#1 .Ian

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 03:45 AM

Hi,

Whilst I am looking forward to 3.2, I have a few concerns/questions the way the product is going.

IP.Subscriptions - Sorry to see this free app go and be replaced by a paid app @ $75 & $70 a year. If all a site wants is subscriptions buying Nexus is an expensive option, even if Nexus is great and offers so much more. We have moved on from Subscriptions, but it is a very useful app for sites just starting out to earn money from their sites and then be able to afford to upgrade to Nexus. Will the ability to show adverts in IP.Board remain as this is also within Nexus?


IP.Portal - a very useful and simple app to go and again being replaced by an app costing £50 and $30 per year. If all you want is a home page, buying IP.Content is an overkill. As far as I know one cannot create a simple home page and easily modify it daily as you can with Portal. Please if you can, show me how & prove me wrong. ;)

IP.Calendar - this is being moved out of 3.2 into a separate app. Will this remain free and operate without the need to have support contract in place? The reason I ask is because it is mentioned alongside IP.Chat which is a free/paid app, but the free part is limited and requires a support contract.

Are any other apps being split off from the main IP.Board and if so will any of these cost money or require a support contract to operate?

Essentially depending upon the answer to the calendar, version 3.2 is going to cost at least $125 more and $100 a year more to run than 3.1.x - whilst I appreciate both these apps will be in the marketplace for a short time they are suddenly made EOL which means that there will be no update and no official support.

I am concerned that IPS is starting to go down the route that another forum company recently went down, i.e. seeing what else we can charge customers for that previously was free / included. And I honestly thought I would never think that.

The topic announcing items changing in 3.2 is being modified rather than being added to, therefore one cannot tell when it is changed and what is changed in it. Would it be possible for that post to be replied to with fresh changes, otherwise potentially large changes might be missed. What is large to one site, might be insignificant to another.

3.2 is already looking like an excellent product which will serve sites well and we have not yet got to the good bits being announced - however governments / companies are very good at hiding bad news alongside good news, so whilst the positives are great, it is the small negatives that concern me especially when they start costing a lot more money.

As we currently have 6 or 7 IPS forums, with more planned, I am concerned that we are looking at a large figure to do exactly the same as now. With some time before 3.2 we do not know if these costs will increase further. If there were no cost implications moving to 3.2 it would be excellent, but that is not the case.
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 07:25 AM

The Portal and Subscriptions are being removed as the cost to maintain those in addition to IP.Content and IP.Nexus become prohibitive when you consider there is so much overlap. If someone in the community wants to take on maintenance and updates of those then we would certainly be happy to talk to them about it. It's just not something we can continue to justify internally :)

IP.Calendar is only being removed from the IP.Board download as not all people use it so giving people a choice to download reduces the overall size of the IP.Board install. It will still be available with an IP.Board license at no cost. Also, removing IP.Calendar and making it a "top level" application allows us to update it independently of IP.Board itself which means it will be better maintained.

#3 teraßyte

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 07:37 AM

[...]

IP.Subscriptions - Sorry to see this free app go and be replaced by a paid app @ $75 & $70 a year. If all a site wants is subscriptions buying Nexus is an expensive option, even if Nexus is great and offers so much more. We have moved on from Subscriptions, but it is a very useful app for sites just starting out to earn money from their sites and then be able to afford to upgrade to Nexus. Will the ability to show adverts in IP.Board remain as this is also within Nexus?

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Let me clarify something quickly: we aren't 'dropping' it completely now, as mentioned in the topic we will upgrade IP.Subscriptions to work with IP.Board 3.2 (and probably a few maintenance releases). Basically you will still be able to use IP.Subscriptions on 3.2 if you don't need Nexus.

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 05:33 AM

IP.Calendar is only being removed from the IP.Board download as not all people use it so giving people a choice to download reduces the overall size of the IP.Board install. It will still be available with an IP.Board license at no cost. Also, removing IP.Calendar and making it a "top level" application allows us to update it independently of IP.Board itself which means it will be better maintained.



I do hope soooo much that this stays this way. I don't know if I could bear another company that fells to their own greed... greed can be a nasty thing I can tell :(
I'm looking forward to IPB 3.2 and all the new versions of the apps. I'm even planning on buying the gallery and nexus, the two apps that I still miss, but if the yearly costs rise more and more I simply cannot bear it anymore.

I'm a student, I work hard to earn a living, to pay my bills, and I have to learn for exams etc. My next project is being planned on for 2 years now and when I found out about IP.Content and IP.Board and all the great stuff that comes with them I was so sure that this is the way to go.

I hope I haven't turned the wrong way!

(The above also is the reason why I have no active license at the moment.)

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 10:09 AM

We have no intentions (at all) of charging for Calendar. We just want to present it slightly differently, and allow those who don't have a need for it to not have to download it. It will be freely available from your client center so long as you are able to download IP.Board.
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#6 Pfeiffer

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 03:46 PM

IP.Calendar is only being removed from the IP.Board download as not all people use it so giving people a choice to download reduces the overall size of the IP.Board install. It will still be available with an IP.Board license at no cost. Also, removing IP.Calendar and making it a "top level" application allows us to update it independently of IP.Board itself which means it will be better maintained.


This is great and very welcome news and in my opinion, the best way to do this - allow to improve on the separate components individually.









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