Alright I recently read through this topic: What do you think of 3.2? and I decided to create a new topic; not to start another debate.However I felt it important that it needed it's own topic to voice some issues I saw in that topic.
New Default Skin
I have read many complaints about the new skin as well as people and staff defending IP Staff's decision in the choice they made with the new look. Some people have even stated that they do not see themselves or will not be upgrading souly based on the new look. A few people have called the new look childish, Facebook copy/look-a-like, and even hard to find things.
Now some people have responded in telling people that they can customize the look, learn how to customize the look, or even get someone to do it.
Then on the off-hand the same people who complain counter with: i don't know how to skin, I don't have the time to skin or learn to skin, i don't have the money for a custom skin, i don't like most pre-made skins, and so on...
To The Complainers
If you are willing to use every excuse in the book and can not or will not find a means of a solution that has been given to you, then ultimately you are being ignorant. If you do not wish to upgrade,knock-yourself-out, but when the same people repeat this same complaint or it is addressed by another person who feels the same way it becomes redundant. You have been told how to fix it and if you fail to comply then this is a YOU PROBLEM not a new version or design problem.
WANT TO LEARN?
If you would like to learn using IPB I suggest messing around with an older version. You can find many Free Forum services that offer IPB 1.3 (the easiest to learn); if you need to start small. If you want to jump into the new version then start with the basics...
It would also be keen of you to learn the basics of HTML and CSS which can be done here or a simple Google search for HTML and CSS tutorials. You can also find a verity of books at Amazon.com and Barns and Nobles.
You may also find IPB tutorials for older versions; so you will have to wait for new tutorials for IPB 3.2, but starting somewhere is better than no where (Google Search for IPB Skinning Tutorial).
If you can't find the time to learn then you can always find a pre-made one (free and paid) or a custom one at some of the links below (ATTENTION: Will not have IPB 3.2 Skins at the time I wrote this): Google Search.
DON'T WANT TO LEARN or OTHER?
This is a YOU PROBLEM not a new version or design problem. People can't help people who do not wish to be helped or fail to utilize what has been given to them.
People have told you how to fix it and if you can't see it well than perhaps I should speak to a rock; at least it will understand better...
You in reality should not find this an issue, most people are turned off at communities who use the default look!
Old Features Gone!
I also notice another touchy subject was old features gone and IP Staff reason for removing them:
- Latest News on Board Index
- Online/Offline Status in Posts
- Avatar Galleries
- Remote avatars(which allowed for dynamic avatars)
- Topic descriptions
- The ability to disable/enable fast reply in the Admin CP
- You can no longer see what exactly a member is doing from viewing their profile. You have to look at the full online list which might not even be enabled on some boards...
- Post Icons
- Board rules link removed from the board header
- Number of VNC results removed
- User notes
- It is no longer possible to convert categories to forums
- Removal of the quick emoticon panel
Now some people did not like IPS (IP Staff) reason for why they removed so I thought to look at this in a different way.
Developer's Stand Point
I want you to go to any community (IPB, vBulletin, SMF, etc) and look at people's profile and see who actually has a photo of themselves in the Photo image for the profile? How many can you find who actual uses it for what it was meant to be used as?
In fact I would say 20% of people who use it actually post a photo of them selves. Well the other 80% don't use it or use it another avatar with a random picture (which is how I used it). So from a developers stand point this was taking up space because barely anyone used it or used it for what it should have been. As for the avatar gallery, again look at any forum software community and find a percent of people who actually use the default forum avatar gallery images (I would say probably less than 25%; and that's being nice).
This also applies to Post Icons, Topic Descriptions (which I used probably 2% of the time), etc.
I hope this will help you understand that from a developers stand point these where taking up space that could be used for something else.
Business Stand Point
So from a business stand point did removing these features make sense?
CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT
If we look at it this way, then no. They only cared about themselves and not the customers and basically said, F off.
CUSTOMERS vs DEVELOPERS
From this stand point yes it did make sense. They took their developer skills and ultimately made a business decision that they feel is better. It may not satisfy 100% of the customers, but they knew it would work and thus was okay.
CUSTOMERS vs CUSTOMERS
I would even say they probably expected some people to not like this move, but knew some would not care. So they have 2 groups:
1) One who want something.
2) The other who will live with the change
So using this perspective it also made sense to remove them.
*Personally I find Smiles useless and I would have removed them.
I also read many posts where people where slandered for voicing their opinion. First off:
1) Pointing out the obvious is stupid; never assume the person doesn't know something.
2) Peoples opinion can't be stupid; you only make yourself look ignorant.
Example of #2:
Oh god, you actually think vBulletin has a good default skin. *facepalms*
VB has good default skin
Xenforo has a good default skin
both have better than IPB default
then why not IPB can have good default skin ?
People have a right to their opinion, but you don't have the right to voice if you think someones opinion is stupid; especially when you use your own opinion to do so as TheRevTastic did.
I will agree with some people who posted that most of you came off as sarcastic, rude, or ignorant sounding to some of the replies. I'm not going to sit here and write how you should treat your customers and reply to their every whim. However I will say professionalism goes a long way; even for those rude customers.