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[PS Regiment]

Aethorn, on 04 November 2011 - 11:09 AM, said:

Stats are stats? duhh? that's real time pinging showing how long it takes for your website to load, if you don't care about those stats, you obviously don't care how fast your website loads




As i said, many people think that ferrari is the best super car, but it's not, that doesn't mean anything seriously -_-
If hostgator was able to spend 5 times the amount that other quality providers spent, that's just doesn't make them the best provider out there, I'm into hosting industry for over 3 years,

I am not ignorant but I don't consider my website slow and If I did I would be damn sure to get it sorted. The stats are not a huge or anywhere substantial difference hence why I dismiss them as irrelevant. That's not taking into consideration if you have already visited the site and things considering most of my users are regular visitors.

As Feld has said, Hostgator is an EXCELLENT host as long as your not running a massive forum or no one on the server is being greedy. It is cheap, uptime for me has been 99.99% and when the small downtime hits I complain and its fixed within seconds. Its a win win hosting company for me and I done my research and it is proving to be very successful

[Aethorn]

PS Regiment, on 04 November 2011 - 11:15 AM, said:

As Feld has said, Hostgator is an EXCELLENT host as long as your not running a massive forum or no one on the server is being greedy. It is cheap, uptime for me has been 99.99% and when the small downtime hits I complain and its fixed within seconds.

How can you know what everyone is running on the node?   It's a fact that they oversell, join any kind of web mastering forums and that's what everyone gonna reply to you

PS Regiment, on 04 November 2011 - 11:15 AM, said:

Its a win win hosting company for me and I done my research and it is proving to be very successful

Maybe you didn't check this one
http://www.web-hosti...s/hostgator.com

[PS Regiment]

Aethorn, on 04 November 2011 - 11:22 AM, said:

How can you know what everyone is running on the node?   It's a fact that they oversell, join any kind of web mastering forums and that's what everyone gonna reply to you



Maybe you didn't check this one
http://www.web-hosti...s/hostgator.com

Great!! More stats from other people

Here is my experience first hand: Excellent host and I won't be changing any time soon

EDIT: I am seriously laughing at some of them reveiws. If what they claim is true Hostgator would be shut down. Most of it seems rage at that fact they out grew their own plans?

I agree with dedicated and VPS there are better options but shared hostgator is excellent

[Robulosity2]

Aside from the fact the Topic Creator had his/her question answered already and this topic has gotten out of hand

1) Most shared hosts over sell, its what makes their model work
2) People will complain more than they will compliment, so relying simply on WHT isn't going to really tell you much
3) If a host works for you it works for YOU,  trying to beat other people into submission saying their host is rubbish simply because your personal experiences weren't positive isn't going to get anyone anywhere
4) If your using ping simply to determine site loading times, you have no idea what your talking about..  Sure network latency has some impact, but its not always the end game

[Wolfie]

Aethorn, on 04 November 2011 - 08:47 AM, said:

Anyone that pays for services like HostGator ---> Unlimited BW, Space and stuff, has no clue obviously ...

Excuse you, I use Hostgator and I have a clue.  You should consider that not everything limits their thinking the same way you do.

Feld0, on 04 November 2011 - 11:00 AM, said:

As long as you don't expect to run the next Youtube for the price of two coffees, there's nothing wrong with them.

PS Regiment, on 04 November 2011 - 11:15 AM, said:

As Feld has said, Hostgator is an EXCELLENT host as long as your not running a massive forum or no one on the server is being greedy. It is cheap, uptime for me has been 99.99% and when the small downtime hits I complain and its fixed within seconds. Its a win win hosting company for me and I done my research and it is proving to be very successful

These two quotes sum it up.  If I had a site as busy as Neowin, then using shared hosting on Hostgator would be a HUGE mistake.  It would kill my site in no time flat.

For what it offers and the intended use, it's a very good company and offers rather competitive pricing when you consider the rather remarkable quality of service.  So far I've had nothing but good experiences with them.  The worst experience I've had with them so far was it taking almost an hour for the tech person (in chat) to remove a security feature so that I could use the SQL toolbox in my ACP.  I've accidentally done some things that should have gotten me a warning (booboo in PHP coding that eats up a lot of CPU) but so far nothing.  You're basically putting down a company and what they offer despite even though what you're saying is wrong.  Granted, there is some truth behind your intended points, but what you're actually saying is just wrong.

Have a site that is as popular as YouTube?  Hostgator shared hosting is NOT the plan to use.
Have a site that might get 1000 unique visitors and 100 posts in a month?  You'd be a fool to pay $10+/month for a plan that severely limits your space/bandwidth.

Bringing up the Golden Corral example, it's the same thing.  "All you can eat."  Well I'm pretty sure they have some restrictions on that and also, if everyone were really eating "all you can eat", they would run out of food.  It's the same concept.

Unlimited bandwidth and storage.  Am I really going to use an infinite amount of either?  If I were to upload a DVD ISO of the latest version of CentOS and then there was to always be an average of 20 people downloading it non stop for a month, am I really going to hit the "limit"?  I seriously doubt it.  If having that happen were to not hit the limit, then why would I be worried about some hidden limit when I'm no where near even half that usage?

You're arguing with possibility when the reality is probability.

[Aethorn]

PS Regiment, on 04 November 2011 - 11:29 AM, said:

Great!! More stats from other people

Here is my experience first hand: Excellent host and I won't be changing any time soon

EDIT: I am seriously laughing at some of them reveiws. If what they claim is true Hostgator would be shut down. Most of it seems rage at that fact they out grew their own plans?

I agree with dedicated and VPS there are better options but shared hostgator is excellent

I'm glad that works great for you, but that doesn't mean it should be considered as a company that provides quality hosting.

They are popular just cause of their marketing and their live support. If know about quality host, you would be familiar with liquidweb.com.
Oh yea not to mention some coupons that are around so the first month is free...

Just my 2c

[Wolfie]

Robulosity2, on 04 November 2011 - 11:31 AM, said:

4) If your using ping simply to determine site loading times, you have no idea what your talking about..  Sure network latency has some impact, but its not always the end game

So true.  Ping is nothing more than a response time plus the delay of traveling across the network.  I've seen some sites that respond/load quickly but have horrible ping times and then seen sites with impressive ping times but take forever to load.  Anyone with any networking training/knowledge/experience will tell you that ping is useful for making sure there is a connection and for detecting potential latency issues.

[Wolfie]

I'm glad that works great for you, but that doesn't mean it should be considered as a host that provides quality host.
The OP asked specifically about Hostagor and if it meets the requirements for running IP.Board on it.   You're making it sound like they asked who the greatest hosting company in the world is and everyone started saying, "Hostgator!"


If know about quality host, you would be familiar with liquidweb.com.
If you know quality food, then you would be familiar with Five Guys.  So if you eat at McDonald's, then you don't have a clue about good food.
(I'm mimicing you to illustrate a point, I'm not saying it to actually insult you.)

[Robulosity2]

Wolfie, on 04 November 2011 - 11:39 AM, said:

So true.  Ping is nothing more than a response time plus the delay of traveling across the network.  I've seen some sites that respond/load quickly but have horrible ping times and then seen sites with impressive ping times but take forever to load.  Anyone with any networking training/knowledge/experience will tell you that ping is useful for making sure there is a connection and for detecting potential latency issues.

It's why I generally turn ICMP off on my servers, I Got sick of tickets going "zomg wtf yo MY ping is 73ms MY SITE IS SLOW"... no your sites SLOW because your queries are gigantic and terribly written

[Wolfie]

Robulosity2, on 04 November 2011 - 11:48 AM, said:

It's why I generally turn ICMP off on my servers, I Got sick of tickets going "zomg wtf yo MY ping is 73ms MY SITE IS SLOW"... no your sites SLOW because your queries are gigantic and terribly written

Here's a better one.  All my pings to IMDb.com are lost (timed out).  Wow, their site must always be slow.  Wait, the pages load up rather quickly for me!  But how's that possible, the ping times are so long that they time out!!  [/sarcasm]

[PS Regiment]

Aethorn, on 04 November 2011 - 11:39 AM, said:

I'm glad that works great for you, but that doesn't mean it should be considered as a company that provides quality hosting.

They are popular just cause of their marketing and their live support. If know about quality host, you would be familiar with liquidweb.com.
Oh yea not to mention some coupons that are around so the first month is free...

Just my 2c

Hostgator have lots of coupons too but thats irrelevant

The fact is if hostgator was so horrible it would not be getting discussed now. It built a reputation which the live support and marketing now thrives off and thanks to the early leg work they now have a great hosting company. Who cares about ping rate if your sites up and no one is complaining?

[Aethorn]

Wolfie, on 04 November 2011 - 11:39 AM, said:

So true.  Ping is nothing more than a response time plus the delay of traveling across the network.  I've seen some sites that respond/load quickly but have horrible ping times and then seen sites with impressive ping times but take forever to load.  Anyone with any networking training/knowledge/experience will tell you that ping is useful for making sure there is a connection and for detecting potential latency issues.

Robulosity2, on 04 November 2011 - 11:48 AM, said:

It's why I generally turn ICMP off on my servers, I Got sick of tickets going "zomg wtf yo MY ping is 73ms MY SITE IS SLOW"... no your sites SLOW because your queries are gigantic and terribly written

The websites i pinged obviously had no GIGANTIC queries...did they? We wouldn't even talk for shared hosting for such situation.

[Sandi_]

A site on Hostgator shared servers ( like shared servers with anyone ) can be fast or slow depending on the resources load on that server by the other sites that share the same server. If you have a bad experience with a slow site, whether Hostgator or any other shared host, call tech support and have them monitor it for awhile.

Sheesh!

[PS Regiment]

Sandi_, on 04 November 2011 - 12:09 PM, said:

A site on Hostgator shared servers ( like shared servers with anyone ) can be fast or slow depending on the resources load on that server by the other sites that share the same server. If you have a bad experience with a slow site, whether Hostgator or any other shared host, call tech support and have them monitor it for awhile.

Sheesh!

Yh I was having a small issue and I contacted them on live chat. The guy opened a ticket for me and told me if it happened again to report it in the ticket. He had a look around changed a few things and its never came back

Thats top quality customer service for you

[Wolfie]

Aethorn, on 04 November 2011 - 12:06 PM, said:

Wolfie, on 04 November 2011 - 11:39 AM, said:

So true.  Ping is nothing more than a response time plus the delay of traveling across the network.  I've seen some sites that respond/load quickly but have horrible ping times and then seen sites with impressive ping times but take forever to load.  Anyone with any networking training/knowledge/experience will tell you that ping is useful for making sure there is a connection and for detecting potential latency issues.

The websites i pinged obviously had no GIGANTIC queries...did they? We wouldn't even talk for shared hosting for such situation.

Your comment doesn't invalidate what I said.  If anything, your comment has nothing to do with what I said, other than to show that you don't know that pings are not the tell-all for server/site performance.

[Robulosity2]

Aethorn, on 04 November 2011 - 12:06 PM, said:

The websites i pinged obviously had no GIGANTIC queries...did they? We wouldn't even talk for shared hosting for such situation.

See, here's the problem.. as SOON as you posted some generic screenshot with the following

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and i have run 2 ping tests, for my website and yours

The rest of your comments became noise, since  Your associating Ping with speed... In addition your network interfaces can remain up and responding to ICMP while your sites still down , even further invalidating your own commentary in regards to "uptime".

Keynote, Gomez etc can validate that content either static or dynamic is available, ping is only telling you your server (or in some cases just your gateway since some shared hosts use NAT) is there

[DarkGizmo]

Had bad experiences with hostgator (my site was down about 35-50% of the time) and moved over to hawkhost who don't oversell. And saying every shared host oversells is a wrong assumption. Hawkhost buys new servers all the time for their shared hosting to make sure they DON'T oversell. Plus the support is top-notch! Hostgator's support had no clue how to fix a problem I was having and they were blaming it on IPB, when in fact it turned out to be a server configuration on their end. (I know about the memory limit thing and did that back then )

Just stating MY experience, not putting hostgator down as a host, just not the host for ME.

[Sandi_]

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Hawkhost buys new servers all the time for their shared hosting to make sure they DON'T oversell.

That has little to do with anything. All hosts are forever buying new servers if they are growing at all. Also "oversell" is probably not a good word, and tends to infer some intent on the part of the host to get as many sites as possible on a box without regard to available resources.

As I stated before, it is a numbers game, because most sites have a light or moderate amount of traffic. However that is a statistic, can vary from server to server. If you land on a server with busier sites, or a few that hog cpu time with resource intensive applicaitons, you will see a slowdown.

I know from experience that Hostgator ( as will most hosts ) check server activity and take action by moving some, or warning sites with applications that hog resourses.

[Mark H.]

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