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#21 FxG Biohazard

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 08:23 AM

i strive to stay away from social media, my site is driven by members who enjoy playing video games and being on my forums to interat with other members on a more personal level, and aside from youtube, the others dont even exist to me. when you are 30+ years old you will realize what has come and gone and realize that all these social media are just fads, believe it or not they will be replaced sooner or later by newer and more trendy apps. IP Board is an excellent software that will have a niche among forum communities for years to come. AS far as upgrades, changing little things at a time is better then just re hauling the whole system, it allows for tweaks that may or may not work thus allowing them to change directions when needed. I say THANX TO ALL DEVELOPERS OF IP BOARD and its support and I look forward to growing my site through the years with your software :)
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 08:52 AM

FB will be dead in less then 3 years... so see.. we all have opinions... Remember myspace?



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Posted 07 April 2012 - 08:54 AM

ya but Social media is becoming part of it own self. Look at Steam gaming, Halo etc, there becoming there own social media which will bend together sooner or later. Also your stance is yours, as your community is yours to do what you will with it. Thus if you don't want social media so be it but like everything there are pro and cons to it.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 09:07 AM

Wow! I'm sorry to say this but this is sheer arrogance to think that the forum experience will be over. Social Media is what everyone should be worried about for disappearing. The message forum, or internet bulletin board system has been around for much longer than Facebook, Myspace or any other social media service. There are new social media sites popping up every year and has remained stagnant.

Facebook is just too dependant on being used as "alternative login methods" for multiple websites but their growth is so limited. So, they rely on "developers creating new content for Facebook". Facebook should have been more of a "let's license it as a message forum service/social media system so websites can use it to run their communities". There's only one Facebook website, but message forums are all over the place, on multiple websites and they are open source. Each admin can modify it for their own website and community.

I've noticed that when Facebook makes an announcement regarding a new feature to their social network, that's a "blah, blah, blah" or "that's the big change?" type of moment that I end up rolling my eyes. Big changes would be like when IPS first announces new applications to the IP.Board system like "IP.Content", "IP.Blog", "IP.Downloads" and whatnot. Those are major announcements ... not Facebnook and their "Timeline" feature or "married status" or "enemies list".

If you examine the features that Facebook has added over the past year, Facebook is the one who has become stagnant and it's sad. I think that Mark Zuckerberg needs to sell off Facebook for whatever he can before Facebook dies off. Such social media as Facebook, Twitter, Myspace have become stagnant because there isn't much you can do to improve the service. With such message forum software as Invision Power Board, vBulletin, phpBB, XenForo ... while they are all message forum software, they are far from stagnant because you can create new applications for those forum software systems because they are easily "modifiable".

Message Forums are able to be licensed and modified by the person running that forum software so they can create applications to add to their forums. With Facebook and Twitter? You're not able to do that. After all, Facebook is stagnant for only one site. You can install and modify forum software for your website.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 09:14 AM

One final thing, and this goes to IPS. I've been licensing the IP.Board software since IPB 2.1 and I have always been satisfied with it. With such new applications as IP.Content, IP.Downloads, IP.Blog and so on, you guys have always kept on improving the IP.Board experience so that it's always being updates and that we're always getting cool applications for the software.

I'd also like to say thanks, for allowing the software to be open source so that those of us who license the software can modify it for our own communities. While there have been bumps ini the software on some features, they usually do get ironed out. I doubt IP.Board will ever get stagnant as long as the software is continually updated. :sweat:
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 09:18 AM

I'm pretty sure this same topic was alsot posted 5 years ago ;)

The Internet has always been about people talking to each other and sharing. Facebook, Twitter, etc. have actually made forums (and in term our business) more accessible as more and more people in the general populace are comfortable talking online. It's become commonplace for people to post messages and talk to others online.

So I would respectfully disagree in the assessment that Facebook and such will kill forums when we have seen our business do better with the huge acceptance of online communication by the masses. Look at it this way: when your grandmother is cool with talking to others online then any medium to do that is surely going to stick around.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 09:26 AM

Anyone remember BBS(Bulletin Board Systems).... they were around before the internet and required you to call from one modem to another to interact with others...my point is fourms and such have existed even before the internet and will be around well into the future. Theses POPULAR media choises are just fads and wil fade just as fast but Forums will always be around :)
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 09:53 AM

Charles, what amazes me is the fact that everyone touts Social Media as the only site service online. Facebook simply has become stagnant. They simply haven't made any significant changes to Facebook since its inception. What's unique about IPB and vBulletin is that they're open source, you can purchase a license to install it on your site and it's constantly being improved.

Facebook? You cannot license the software, you can't install it on your own website, you cannot modify it for your own use. Facebook simply is losing its appeal. There was a time when I would use Facebook on a semi regular basis, but it's just not interesting anymore. They've completely redesigned the GUI to where I don't use it any longer. I don't use Twitter anymore either. Now that IPB serves my use ... I think everyone touts off Facebook as if it were just created.

I just don't think that Facebook does any innovating anymore. When they opened up to average users, instead of just college users, it was cool and interesting. But, Facebook just doesn't innovate. Shoot, they've had the same design interface since I signed up many years ago ... it's like Zuckerberg has been sticking with the same software that runs the site and doesn't improve the "software" that runs Facebook.com. I just don't think he designed the software, which may explain quite a bit.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 09:56 AM

Forums have taken a beating from the intial social media hype but like fashion forums will turn full circle and become very much part of the future landscape, some who are weak at the knees may fall to the crap sm offers, as for IPB offers many great features and is very much a great bet moving forward.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 10:40 AM

I didn't read all of the posts as some were very long (I was being lazy), and I think that is a difference between Social Media and Forums. Social media has it's own place in the world. Posts are generally short and comments shorter. You can have a quick browse read a few things and interact with people on a personal level. It is just that it is social. You represent yourself as a person. With a forum you represent yourself, generally, as an avatar with a username. It does not have that same level of social interactivity. But in my opinion forums weren't intended to.

I think the original poster could have come up with some more original ideas if they thought they were going to "save the day", I think if it needed rescuing and your tips are to make some small skinning changes then your tips fall way below the mark. However I do not think it needs rescuing.

When you visit a social media site you only look at the posts from the last few hours, you do not trawl through tweets from yesterday, last week let alone last year. With a forum you do. A forum is a collection of discussions which are searchable. It is a resource for discussing topics in an environment where you know you have people who have a similar interest.

FB will be dead in less then 3 years... so see.. we all have opinions... Remember myspace?


I disagree with this entirely. Facebook and MySpace are fundamentally different. Facebook has done a lot in the way of enabling developers to interact with their software. I am afraid to say it because I am sure I will get stick for it but Facebook has revolutionised Social Networking. It has enabled the likes of game developers such as Zynga to develop games which you can play with your friends. It has enabled Spotify to let friends discover music between themselves. Facebook as 800 Million users, that is not going to go away anytime soon. Facebook is rich with data about real people. That is something which is incredibly valuable and with them providing a platform for developers I think it is here to stay. So yes, I firmly disagree with your statement.

If you have a weak site, with weak content, niche, sense of community, yes, your forum may be dead.

I think Facebook and other social media sites are just going to accelerate the weak players from the strong players. Unless facebook makes their own forum software, it is not going to happen. Just like email did not kill the paper industry, neither is facebook going to. In fact, learn to embrace facebook to drive traffic to your forum community, don't be afraid of your people leaving to go to facebook.


I agree exactly with you. Your forum is only as strong as your community. If you do not have a community then regardless of how good the software may or may not be you have nothing to offer the users. Social media sites are making this more apparent. Yes it has killed off a lot of forums, but only those which had no strong community. If it were a simple task of building a really good community we would all have very sucesful sites, but it is not that simple. You have to work hard, you have to invest a lot of time, you have to promote your site and optimize it. This doesn't happen by itself. If you want to get organic traffic and you want a community you need to work hard for it. Having the expectation that IPS can deliver you an outstanding community on a plate is extermely unrealistic.

Have to totally disagree. Frankly I detest FB and only use it to keep in touch with family and a few friends. In fact I came this > < close to closing my account a few days ago because the "Timeline" addition was nearly the last straw in things about it I dislike.

The best way to lose members to FB and others, is to add links and likes to social media on your forum.


Again sorry Sandi, but I disagree with you on two points, timeline and social media buttons. Social media buttons are a great way to publicise your site. Social media sites have traffic and you are allowed to advertise in posts on these sites. It is a great way to get exposure. Most of your members are already a member of one of the social media sites. You are not going to lose members by having a button allowing them to like a post of yours on Facebook or by allowing them to tweet a topic they have feel they want to share with the world. These are great tools.

Talking about timeline is rather offtopic but I will say that I think it is a great addition to Facebook, it allows people to express themselves and it make their profiles more unique and about them. You can get a real sense of a person, and follow their achievements. It allows you to get a quick overview of a person. Facebook friends should be just that, they should be friends of yours. And it is nice to see what your friends have been up to and it is nice to see what they have achieved. I do not see the problem with it.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 10:52 AM

Zuckeberg fan made a thread again.

Facebook will destroy forums which are about general topis, but niche forums will survive and even grow faster than ever.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:00 AM

The above comments just rude, and makes me assume you haven't bothered to read this thread.

For the record I detest Facebook and it's relationship and backing from the CIA and MI5. I couldn't agree more with all the criticisms made of it by all of the members here.

There's a lot of points I want to take up, but I don't fancy doing that on an iPod, so I'll wai till I get to a machine.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:05 AM

I didn't read all of the posts as some were very long (I was being lazy), and I think that is a difference between Social Media and Forums. Social media has it's own place in the world. Posts are generally short and comments shorter. You can have a quick browse read a few things and interact with people on a personal level. It is just that it is social. You represent yourself as a person. With a forum you represent yourself, generally, as an avatar with a username. It does not have that same level of social interactivity. But in my opinion forums weren't intended to.

The italic proves to be the reason even though I sadly have an account, I will never use it, and never bothered.
Facebook is quite literally a place for shallow minds to share shallow thoughts in a shallow atmosphere without any reprisal or consequences for the words input.
For the "lazy" who do not want a focused conversation about a topic, or simply wish to troll.
This is why FB will die IMHO.
as will the rest of this "Social Media" craze.... it has 0 substance.
Having said ALL that.... what the client wants the client gets... so obviously I do deal with setting up bits relevant to this(Content like buttons and whatnot), simply my own humble opinion.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:17 AM

I see this in a very simple and uncomplicated way: who uses the Internet to learn, teach and share knowledge, can not take Facebook or any other social network seriously. This was made to spend hours talking about nothing or posting photos.

I mean, if you have a forum about NOTHING, you should really worry... Otherwise, people who don't want to waste hours and hours, won't let forum dies.

Simple like that.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:23 AM

Social media is much more successful in the fight over internet users their time. Even when users are on forums, then facebook keeps pinging them that there is a new message in their other browser tab, while it instantly sends an email. Social media is just much better at engagement.

While social media hurts forums, it will not kill forums.

However, many modern websites may seriously hurt forums.

There are many modern blogs and information driven sites that do a much better job at answering questions, serving up opinions and debate. If IPS keeps a sharp eye on that, and on the modern functionality that social media offers, then it has a great future.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:35 AM

The italic proves to be the reason even though I sadly have an account, I will never use it, and never bothered.
Facebook is quite literally a place for shallow minds to share shallow thoughts in a shallow atmosphere without any reprisal or consequences for the words input.
For the "lazy" who do not want a focused conversation about a topic, or simply wish to troll.
This is why FB will die IMHO.
as will the rest of this "Social Media" craze.... it has 0 substance.
Having said ALL that.... what the client wants the client gets... so obviously I do deal with setting up bits relevant to this(Content like buttons and whatnot), simply my own humble opinion.


I don't want you think I was actually being lazy, I just scan read the longer posts, so I wanted to apologise if I had missed anything important out.

I wouldn't say the social media craze has zero substance. It serves its very own purpose, if like me you spend the majority of your time away from the people who matter most to you it is a place to when you are feeling home sick. Your family can upload pictures of your cousins, your brothers, your nephews and your grandchilder. You may not have the time to go round your aunt's and look at the latest pictures she has taken of her child but she can post them on Facebook and you can look and share your comments on it. To me that is what Facebook is about. It's that level of personal interactivity you can have with your friends and family. A forum is not that, not that at all. Hence why I think it is not really a competition, and I agere whole heartedly with the statement I have highlighted below in red:

I see this in a very simple and uncomplicated way: who uses the Internet to learn, teach and share knowledge, can not take Facebook or any other social network seriously. This was made to spend hours talking about nothing or posting photos.

I mean, if you have a forum about NOTHING, you should really worry... Otherwise, people who don't want to waste hours and hours, won't let forum dies.

Simple like that.


I however use the internet to learn, teach and share knowledge. The majority of my time online is dedicated to just that. But as I am away from people who I would like to keep in touch with it adds that additional level in which I can interact with them. I think social media fills a purpose in its own right. People should be concentrating on the content of their forums, if your forum has no substance then you may as well give up.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:47 AM

I don't want you think I was actually being lazy, I just scan read the longer posts, so I wanted to apologise if I had missed anything important out.

I wouldn't say the social media craze has zero substance. It serves its very own purpose, if like me you spend the majority of your time away from the people who matter most to you it is a place to when you are feeling home sick. Your family can upload pictures of your cousins, your brothers, your nephews and your grandchilder. You may not have the time to go round your aunt's and look at the latest pictures she has taken of her child but she can post them on Facebook and you can look and share your comments on it. To me that is what Facebook is about. It's that level of personal interactivity you can have with your friends and family. A forum is not that, not that at all. Hence why I think it is not really a competition, and I agere whole heartedly with the statement I have highlighted below in red:



I however use the internet to learn, teach and share knowledge. The majority of my time online is dedicated to just that. But as I am away from people who I would like to keep in touch with it adds that additional level in which I can interact with them. I think social media fills a purpose in its own right. People should be concentrating on the content of their forums, if your forum has no substance then you may as well give up.

Well said, and elaborates the point, and difference likely better than I ever could.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:54 AM

FB will be dead in less then 3 years... so see.. we all have opinions... Remember myspace?


OP raise a valid point with respect to the role of social media and the decline in forum discussion participation. It is a paradigm shift in social discourse.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:56 AM

The problem I have is that, time and time again, Facebook groupies continue to defend the social media network site. But, take a look at a lot of your tech and internet startups that end up tanking once they went public. The problem with Facebook is that the company will be under pressure from its investors and stockholders to start innovating and I think they're going to fail at that.

IPS has always continued to innovate its product line which is what makes it unique. Most forum software developers continue to innovate their product line. But, Facebook has nothing going for it other than its upcoming IPO. Once that IPO is unleashed on the public, it'll be a Wall Street darling for a few months but Facebook will be under a lot of pressure to increase its profits. Facebook isn't exactly known for innovating its product line and they have none.

With IPS, IPS has its own product line. IP.Board, IP.Content, IP.Blog, IP.Download, IP.Gallery, Nexus, and so on ... they have an entire line of products that integrate with IP.Board. IPS has even started to transform IP.Board into a social networking product. I think the next product that IPS will end up creating is a social networking application that integrates into IP.Board but is its own applicaion, like IP.Blog and IP.Content.

Facebook is simply becoming a dinosaur. The only reason it has outlasted MySpace is because it had a larger cash buildup. Also, Facebook will be beholden to stockholders. Mark Z is going to end up losing control of his own company, especially considering the problems that Facebook has been having with Congress over its privacy violations.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 12:06 PM

OP raise a valid point with respect to the role of social media and the decline in forum discussion participation. It is a paradigm shift in social discourse.

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