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#381 Marcher Technologies

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:40 PM

close... are titles truncated when they are pushed into the title tag Mikey? if not... 250 character topic title.... what then?
Google is in fact truncating... we get to the words IP.Board(forum), the board name? not even on the radar(which is fine to me frankly.. shrug), that doesn't get pulled in except by the micro-data on this very topic.... which is nowhere near that large title.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:56 PM

Rand Fishkin from SEOMoz recommends Page 2 first, to un-optimise the second page and I definitely agree.

I've also read various users modifying their VB install to do the same with good results.

AND it makes sense.

There are pro's and con's to everything and of course, they should always be weighed up.

In this case, Page 2 first, pro's far outweigh the cons.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:02 PM

We could maybe test it on this forum, then see what happens to the 20 pages of this thread.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:16 PM

search for "seo rankings flying"

Seo seems to work well.... ;)

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:22 PM

search for "seo rankings flying"

Seo seems to work well.... ;)


Dunno if that was tongue in cheek.

1. IPB has masses of inbound links, more than 99% of websites in existence, it will rank much easier than most.
2. SEO rankings flying, isn't being targeted by anybody. In fact in the first few pages, nobody even has the term in the title.

Of course it's going to rank. I won't go too hard on you, just incase your comment was tongue in cheek ;)

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:24 PM

We could maybe test it on this forum, then see what happens to the 20 pages of this thread.


Without the issue with the pages being fixed first, it's not worth it. The two combined will be a great solution.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:25 PM

+ It has 3 pages from the same thread indexed as separate entities.

It has to be tongue in cheek ;)

Without the issue with the pages being fixed first, it's not worth it. The two combined will be a great solution.


Chances are the pages fix is months down the line, and testing this page number suggestion alone would be interesting, it certainly cannot do any harm as a little lighthearted viewing.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:31 PM

Steven, seriously, for now, use the noindex on page 2+, that Brandon posted a few pages back.

Nothing bad can come of it. Worst would be that it didn't help.

Ensure you use noindex, follow. This means those pages wont get indexed BUT link juice will flow to the links on those pages and Google will continue to visit them.

#389 Steven UK

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:37 PM

Problem with that Paul, is the weight of the content will be discounted, as we have proven weight and content, comments with 'do follow' to be proven to be good factors in ranking, as otherwise the fresh content from the page 2 posts, and benefit goes out the window.

Saying that, I was tempted just to lock certain threads to avoid the page 2 situation, which is probably too dramatic but would achieve the same.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:47 PM

Steven, don't confuse dofollow, nofollow with noindex. (assuming you are, as I couldn't figure out why you mentioned do follow comments).

But beyond that, you need to backtrack a little, the entire point of this thread, is that page 2+ is seen as a different thread. So adding noindex to pages 2+, won't effect weight in any way, shape or form.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:56 PM

the entire point of this thread, is that page 2+ is seen as a different thread.


Not the entire point. I know that because I started it. There were other issues.

It is worth testing, although not just the page 2+, even though our template has now been proven to be fixed, the strings are still indexed, so just waiting for Google to get it's ass into gear and crawl through the whole site again.

I'll tell you what we could do with (IE:, me and my techs, without knowing this software that well), is what to block the bots from. I'll give an example, Google bot is always on our forum, never known it not to be, and when I check where it is, 99 times out of 100, it is crawling users/members, or something stupid, which has no benefit whatsoever. I do not see any point in indexing members profiles personally, and then they get indexed as core links associated with the forum.

This search issue too, has still not been resolved, do we block bots from searching, the search box, etc, and how?

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 08:02 PM

You can block guests from viewing user profiles and the member list in the ACP already :)

Bots are treated as guests. Control the guests group and you control the bots group. Doing something for bots but NOT guests borders on cloaking as you know.
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#393 Steven UK

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 08:31 PM

Thanks Brandon.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 01:57 AM

Guys,

I feel the need to summarise my action plan for 3.4 again - and that is:

- Add Page X near the topic title in the <title> tag. (This change has been made in 3.3.3 already)
- Add "Page X of Y - " in the meta description field before any other text. (This change has been made in 3.3.3 already)
- Remove completely the /page__ extension
- Add in /page-2/ for paginated data. This provides a unique identifier for pages on the forum that is easy to understand
- Use ?foo=bar variables for all other data to signal to Google that it is not a unique page.

Some example URLs as of 3.4:

/topic/123-title/page-2
/topic/123-title/page-2#post123
/topic/123-title/page-2?p=123
/topic/123-title/?view=unread

There's some good discussion about changing URL structures but this isn't something we can do for 3.4 as it is very invasive and I'd like to do more research before I commit to a major change.

We continue to improve SEO and we're always striving to do better, so thank you all for your input.

I'm going to go ahead and close this topic as it's getting embittered and a little personal.

Thanks again for sharing your views and expertise.
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