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[Rimi]

I think tag editing could be done inline as a topic management option but that's another discussion entirely.

[Cyrem]

1) Editing the first post: Works just like editing any other post - inline
2) Edit the topic title: It has its own page when you click the Topic Moderation button and Edit Title. Sorted.
3) Edit tags: Make a similar page and option as point 2 under Topic Moderation. Sorted.

Polls I'd have to think on a bit, but I'm sure our brighter minds could come up with something if they chose.

It's definitely doable.

Take away the full editor and add a moderator page for topics? Might as well just keep the full editor which has the mod features anyway.

And what of all those mods that utilize the full editor? Are we also going to load them in on the quick editor?

Bfarber also said in another topic...

The vast majority of posts on a typical message board do not include attachments, and we wanted to keep the "quick" reply...quick. Thus, it's scaled back from the full posting page.

[Rimi]

What mods use the full editor?

Brandon says a lot of things. He also listens attentively to feedback and implements a lot of what he hears. See IP.Gallery.

[Cyrem]

Cyrem is making a wildly off-base assumption that it would require additional overhead on every page view.

Disable quick reply and check out the improved page load speed. Adding a flash uploader on top of this should increase the load time.

What mods use the full editor?

I mentioned two previously. Table manager, Forms mod and I even have a small hook for it. They are just the ones I am aware of.

[• Jay •]

Take away the full editor and add a moderator page for topics? Might as well just keep the full editor which has the mod features anyway.

What are you on about?

1) Topic title edit function already has its own page
2) Topic tags edit function could have it's own page, but you'd already be loading up the massive full edit mess anyway under the current system, so I don't see what your beef with that is.

[bfarber]

.... Developers are in favor of less settings. Casual end users are in favor of more settings. ...

Actually, yes developers favor less settings (keeps the code easier and more reliable), however casual end users ALSO favor less settings. Most end users just want to visit a site and use it, and have it work right from the go. They don't want to configure 8 pages of silly options.

Seasoned administrators are the ones who favor more settings, because they like to fine tune every aspect of the software once they have become familiar with it.

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Bfarber also said in another topic...

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Brandon says a lot of things. He also listens attentively to feedback and implements a lot of what he hears. See IP.Gallery.

I noticed no date in the quote. Keep in mind that things change over time. Things that may have been resource intensive may no longer be, expectations of how functionality on the internet changes as certain features become more mainstream, and so on.

[Heyhoe]

Having heard both sides of this "discussion" I think the options are:

To reduce the "quick reply" to BARE MIMIMUM. Hell, even no options, just text.

OR

Include the attachments system on the quick reply, (in one method or another) without dramatically increasing load times.


PERSONALLY, if IPS is to follow the lead in the modern interweb, I think making the Quick reply capable of attaching images/attachments would be the way to go. Having to load another page just to reply to a post is old hat in my opinion.

However, depending on the nature of your board/post then the full editor does have a place. But I would say 99% of posts made on most boards do not require the full editor (if attachments were in quick reply).

So, maybe have the quick reply as the "standard reply" and the full reply optional in ACP. Settings to enable the board to use one or the other, or both, would be nice.

I think there are lots of solutions to this problem, which actually seems to be making it harder to find the BEST solution.

I have faith in IPS though:)

[Rimi]

Actually, yes developers favor less settings (keeps the code easier and more reliable), however casual end users ALSO favor less settings. Most end users just want to visit a site and use it, and have it work right from the go. They don't want to configure 8 pages of silly options.

Seasoned administrators are the ones who favor more settings, because they like to fine tune every aspect of the software once they have become familiar with it.




I noticed no date in the quote. Keep in mind that things change over time. Things that may have been resource intensive may no longer be, expectations of how functionality on the internet changes as certain features become more mainstream, and so on.

When I said users in that sentence I actually meant the casual end administrators. I see many of them that want to customize something and the first thing they ask is if there's a setting for what they need. That's what I was referring to. So my bad. I agree with you about the users. When I join sites I hate having to configure things so that I don't receive email notifications and such.

[Dmacleo]

Bruni had posted a method to always load full editor before, there was small ajax issue with it but if it worked right I'd use it.
if wording of "More Reply Options" said "More Options and Attachments" this might clue in users and be a compromise.

[• Jay •]

Bruni had posted a method to always load full editor before, there was small ajax issue with it but if it worked right I'd use it.
if wording of "More Reply Options" said "More Options and Attachments" this might clue in users and be a compromise.

Frankly, it'd just need to say "Attachments" because that's all a regular user gets. Moderators should be used to the site enough to know there's a couple tricks on that page too.

[JMO]

I think adding the "show attchments in fast reply" option per category/forum, but having it off by default would be a good solution. I want it in fast reply in some situations and not in others (albeit mostly in the tracker).

[Marc_S]

Just saw this topic and thought I would reply even though it is old. I almost converted my forum over to IPB however for me the inability to upload images in a simple fashion from the quick reply has been a complete showstopper and prevented me from doing so.

[AutoItScript]

Why not just add an attachment icon, a paper clip or something, into the fast reply toolbar. Make it open up the full editor.

[Aiwa]

Why not just add an attachment icon, a paper clip or something, into the fast reply toolbar. Make it open up the full editor.

 

Then you have redundant links... 

[AutoItScript]

 
Then you have redundant links... 

I don't have a problem with the current system. I've never had feedback that my users are unable to find how to attach. Just suggesting an easy way someone could mod their board to help users who are unable to work out how to attach from quick reply without adding any overhead

[Aiwa]

without adding any overhead

 

Key point on this entire subject...  

[GreenLinks]

What i don't understand why people oppose features that improve User Experience.

 

Currently when you use quick reply , you already are represented with tons of different options  http://d.pr/i/DpqX  These options are here to improve users posting habbit as they can customise their message layout. However while you are not opposing this , you are opposing attachments. Attachments are also another tool that will allow users to add content to your website.

 

Never under estimate the power of reduced clicks for end user. Actually if you reduce the amount of clicks users has to face , you also reduce the amount of http calls end users makes. If attachment system existed in lasy loading via quick reply server will only have to face 1-2 additional http calls. However if the user clicks More Reply Options , he will have to reload the entire page and more server resources will be used because of increased http calls.

Always look ways to improve your users experience on your site , otherwise you'll loose your end user to your competitor  

[CouesWhitetail]

my 2 cents..... I would love to see a way to attach images with fast reply.  I have a lot of users who can't figure it out as it is now.  It should be an easy experience for our users to add images. 

[3DKiwi]

my 2 cents..... I would love to see a way to attach images with fast reply.  I have a lot of users who can't figure it out as it is now.  It should be an easy experience for our users to add images. 

 

I agree. Most frequent "How do I" that I get is how do I attach images. For a new user they wouldn't think to click on "More reply options". I've edited the language pack at my site and renamed this button to "Full editor / Attachments". I think that's a bit more intuitive.

 

3DKiwi

[MGBrose]

I agree. Most frequent "How do I" that I get is how do I attach images. For a new user they wouldn't think to click on "More reply options". I've edited the language pack at my site and renamed this button to "Full editor / Attachments". I think that's a bit more intuitive.

 

3DKiwi

 

Thats a really smart idea, got the line # of that edit so we can share that with others? I may give that a shot.