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[csm]

IPB claims on the new front site that sphinx works with IPContent, how about making that fact instead of fiction? This has been desperately needed for a looooooong time.

[Rikki]

I don't think we're claiming that - we say that the IPS Community Suite works with Sphinx, which it does. Not every part of every application supports its features, though.

[csm]

Sphinx is for searching, if searching doesn't work then sphinx doesn't work with content. The way it's phrased on the front-end a new user would think they could hook sphinx right in and go imo.

content does not support sphinx search, as the tables on a given installation can differ GREATLY, there's no configuration files as of yet

Blazing search with Sphinx

The IPS Community Suite has built-in first-rate support for Sphinx, a leading open-source search server, allowing your community to vastly improve search performance, relevance and accuracy compared to the standard MySQL search.

Built on solid foundations

We use leading web technologies as a foundation for our suite: PHP, MySQL, PrototypeJS, Minify, reCaptcha, CKEditor & Sphinx. We support both *nix and Windows web servers, too.

[bfarber]

Those claims do not state EVERY application has sphinx integration built in. They state that we integrate with Sphinx and provide support for it within the suite.

[Charles]

We recognize that you want Sphinx support in Content and we will certainly look into that for a future version. However, trying to split hairs about wording on the web site does not really make anything happen.

[csm]

Usually I've got a pretty good concept of the English language... Not trying to split hairs, I'm using the word claim as not to be offensive but in regards to the information on the page. Normally I'm submitting bug reports, not mentioning things like this however, if feedback is not given it's not recognized. I also understand it'll be a future version, that's been tossed around since the creation of content.

Regards

[MarkD FTR]

So does sphinx not work with IP.Content? I was actually looking at implementing it as the current search is rather useless.

 

Not trying to be rude or anything but I agree with csm "the IPS Community Suite works with Sphinx" or even "The IPS Community Suite has built-in first-rate support for Sphinx" implies that the entire community suite works with Sphinx, not just some parts.

 

I spent about half an hour searching for how to implement sphinx to find this post that says IP.content won't work with it. Now i am not trying to split hairs, but wording can be critically important and this post saved me hours of implementing something that seems like it isn't going to work.

[avro]

What works and what does not work with Sphinx?

[Alfa1]

Oh wow. So if I want to use IP.Content for a lot of different content types then I can't use Sphinx for my very active big board?

Or am I misunderstanding this?

[GreenLinks]

I am also suprised to see this ?

How can we expect members to search IP.Content pages when Sphinx is not indexing them ?

 

Can you please clarifiy this a bit further please , how does search functionality functions on IPB Systems that choose to enable Sphinx ?

 

This includes Ip.Gallery , Ip.Blog , Ip.Content etc...

[bfarber]

If an application does not support Sphinx, then SQL is automatically fallen back to.  For instance, if we enabled sphinx searching on here (which we've done in the past), and you attempt to search Gallery (which does not support Sphinx), the core simply uses MySQL searching for that application.  The experience is seamless to the end user.

[GreenLinks]

What about Nexus ? Does IPB Sphinx support Nexus entries ?

[bfarber]

Nexus does not have a sphinx plugin, no.

[bfarber]

To clarify in case anyone is wondering, the following apps have sphinx plugins:

• Blog
• Downloads
• Forums

[GreenLinks]

 

To clarify in case anyone is wondering, the following apps have sphinx plugins:

• Blog
• Downloads
• Forums

 

 

Another question , i upgraded to pre release version of Ip.Content and after upgrade , i received a notice about Sphinx conf and cron jobs were outdated . As IP.Content is not supported by Sphinx can we recall that notice as a bug ? If so shall it be reported ?

[bfarber]

It would be a minor bug I suppose.  The system doesn't readily know which apps (from that quick helper page) support Sphinx, so if any app is 'newer' than the cron/conf last build date it shows the notice.

[Alfa1]

Do you intend to add sphinx search for IP.Content, IP.Gallery and IP.Nexus in the future?

Do the Sphinx plugins for Blog, Forum and Downloads cover all search queries in those apps?
If not, is there an overview somewhere?

[bfarber]

The sphinx plugins cover all searching (for downloads that would be files and comments, for instance), yes.

 

We may or may expand the sphinx plugins to all applications in the 4.0 Suite when we overhaul searching.  Very few clients have enough data in those applications that Sphinx materially benefits them (really, MySQL can handle searches fine up to a few hundred thousand records with the right server configuration), but there are other benefits to using Sphinx that we will be exploring regardless of the amount of data.

[Alfa1]

The sphinx plugins cover all searching (for downloads that would be files and comments, for instance), yes.

- Does this include:
- private message search
- member search
- help topic search
- IP address search

 

We may or may expand the sphinx plugins to all applications in the 4.0 Suite when we overhaul searching.  Very few clients have enough data in those applications that Sphinx materially benefits them (really, MySQL can handle searches fine up to a few hundred thousand records with the right server configuration), but there are other benefits to using Sphinx that we will be exploring regardless of the amount of data.

Yes, it would be very useful if IPS takes full advantage of Sphinx by:
- reducing search related server strain
- Offload intensive queries
- Improve search results.

[bfarber]

- Does this include:
- private message search
- member search
- help topic search
- IP address search

 

No.  None of those items are part of the apps that are currently searched by Sphinx.