Fórum Jurídico

I posted this in the 'Features for 3.2' thread, but since I saw that bfarber said that suggestions should be post in separate topics, well... here I am.

I really do love IP.Board, but I think there should be some simplification of the avatar/profile picture setup, or at least some way for board admins to control it better. Right now, each user can upload an 'avatar' – an image that represents them on the board – and a profile picture – an... image that represents them on the board? Yes, I understand that the latter is supposed to be for an actual picture of yourself, but that's not really clear unless you look at other people's profiles first.

But the placement of each is the most confusing. Your avatar is used in topics, in personal conversations, and a few other assorted places. Your profile picture is used in the box in the top right, in the gallery, in the blog, and in your profile. I don't really understand this placement, as it seems like each one is used randomly throughout half of the board. And if I, as the board administrator, don't understand it, I doubt my members are going to either. It's especially confusing when I'm browsing through topics, and I click on a user's username to go to their profile, and I'm greeted with a completely different picture. When I first checked out IPB 3.0, my initial thought here was, "Did I click the right spot? Am I in the right profile?"

In the old versions of IPB (talking about way back in 1.3 here), the profile picture was used in your profile, and your avatar was used everywhere else. I don't know what other people think, but at least to me, that kind of organization makes a lot more sense.

So would it be possible to do one of the following things?:

• Unify profile pictures and avatars. Honestly, it really is just confusing to keep them both, at least in the form they're in now.
  
• Provide some admin settings to select which is used there. If not the above, at least let us pick which image gets used in which place.
  
• Set it so that if a user only has one of the two images uploaded, have it display wherever the other image normally would. This is the least desirable solution, but may be the most immediately feasible. So, for example, if I had an avatar uploaded, but no profile picture, my avatar would show anywhere that the profile picture normally would.

I understand if nothing can be done, but the fact that everyone on my board right now is just using the same image for both is sort of a testament to the confusing and redundant elements of this setup, so, if no one else, we'd really appreciate if something could be done. Thanks for reading!

Hi there

I agree a classifieds section would be awesome. I am going to give you a bit of background about my forum so you understand what I am going to suggest.

I run a forum called CivicLife.net, we are Europes largest Honda Civic Owners Community. We have around 12,000 members, so it's fairly busy. The busiest forum is the Classifieds forum, we get around 40 new For Sale threads a day. We have a few issues with this forum, they are as follows:

- Keeping the topics listings consistant - One of the main problems we were having is that members are forgetting or deliberatly not putting the required information about their item in their listing, forgetting price, pictures, description, etc. Which is quite annoying, because you have to ask sellers constantly to put that information on their thread. So we decided to make some rules for that forum, and made a basic template for members to follow. This of course is hard to uphold as not all members read the sticky posts even if it says "FOR SALE RULES - PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING!".

- Scammers - Are always a problem. They join up, post a thread and then the innocent unaware member gets conned by them. To prevent this, we raised the postcount to be able to post on the For Sale forum to 250 posts. This helps but is also very annoying for members that don't really use the site too often, so can't get their post count up that high (for example, I have members that joined 2 years ago, and still only have 60 posts).

Back when we were using vB last year, we came up with the idea of building our own system to hook into vB. So I designed some mockups of what I think it should look like, obviously you will do a better job, but just to give you an idea.

The mockup below is the Classifieds Index page.
As you can see you can filter your listings by catagory, and sort them by price, recently added, etc. You could even hook them into the members profile so you can see what members have for sale.



The mockup below is the Classifieds Listing page.
From this page you can directly contact the seller about the product or report it to an admin. Not sure what else you could add to this.



What's your thoughts? Obviously this has been designed for items, but you could quite easily adjust the template to suit services and the like.

Would be great to hear your feedback

Notification menu is great but when I click any links from the Notification menu, it will direct to Notification Page.. I really don't like this and its annoying. I would prefer it to direct to topic, reply or status.

I think pinned topics need to be made more obvious again. Either the pinned topic separator that was in IPB before 3.0 should be brought back or pinned topics should have a different colored background from normal topics, the same way that SMF and vB4 display pinned topics.

People need to be able to easily tell which topics are pinned because pinned threads are important topics. And when the only way to tell pinned topics from normal topics is an extremely small and not very obvious green prefix, people aren't going to notice them right away and they'll blend in with normal topics and make things look more cluttered.

Who really need a tagcloud can recommend my modification - "Облако тэгов (tagscloud)" - currently available only Russian language, but if there is interest I can publish in English. At the forum you can see how it works

How can I add modifications to http://community.inv...ower.com/files/ ?

Since we are basically being told what to do based on other sites I think this topic has outlived its usefulness

As I said: they are hidden because (the majority) or our customers like it that way.

Razasharp, on 24 March 2010 - 05:43 PM, said:

Call me crazy but we do tend to listen to our customers more than vB's customers

If people say that want the customer forums hidden to non-customers that's what they get.

dont point me to that blog, I read it, I always do.

When It's Ready™ - screw that

It will save me lots of time just going to 3.1.0 rather than 3.05 and then to 3.1.0.

Wolfie, I admire your sense of humour, but thats not what I'm willing to learn here.

So when is it, IPS team? Month? Two?

.Wolfie, on 23 February 2010 - 07:20 PM, said:

Wolfie, you can take snippets of your own quotes to provide an out-of-context experience, but the reality is you poured cold water over the idea from the start and then proceeded to challenge my viewpoint because it made yours look bad. I on the other hand have been rather non plussed about the whole ordeal. I simply assumed no one with a grain of sense would think that providing a better ux and using less resources was a bad idea. I don't agree its the "end all be all" but I am also not arguing with users because... god forbid... vB did it fist.

There is a difference between endorsing and trying to discredit suggestions without constructive comment simply because you like to argue.

Kotonoha, on 23 February 2010 - 07:58 PM, said:

Huh? Buggy? In all the years its been there, I can't think of a single bug revolving around vB's Ajaxed Quick Reply that I am aware of. Not one. It also shows all the posts since you last visited the page to reply. I suspect you must be thinking of another forum package. Not vB.

Nor has anyone said its better just because its ajaxed. It required at leas 2 less page loads and a faster, smoother ux. How on earth is that a bad thing?

Whats next? Should we argue against having a mobile skin?


I wasn't all that bothered about this feature as I assumed it would eventually make it in because of its logical merits. Now I see that there is certainly another side to "feature suggestions" called "defend the suggestion to prove its worth (and bring your stats)". And if its a vB feature... be prepared for it to be a long and drawn out battle. Doesn't matter if it saves resources. Doesn't' matter if it creates a smoother ux. What matters is if you can PROVE that in the wave of negativity and red light thinking.

Pretty disappointing stuff I may add.

Not this again...

This one's been debated in excruciating detail, once a year or so.  Points systems aren't really core features of forum software -and being that IP.Board is forum software, we'd much rather IPS focus their efforts on making excellent forum software.  Leave it to the modders to deal with things like points systems and so forth.  It's also rather offensive that you say you have reservations about 3rd party systems simply because they aren't IPS - the majority of the modders do excellent jobs and have top notch support.

I don't understand your point then. The only point I can make out is "Just because FB does it doesn't mean its a good idea". Thats valid, but also a "cup if 99% empty" viewpoint. FB are doing a good job at creating a great UX experience. Why shouldn't that be acknowledged and aspired? Twitter doesn't require full page loads to add "Yea, baby I like it". Why should a FARRRRRR more complex piece of script like IPB?

Stop getting hung up on the fact "its been done before" and look to implement what makes sense along side of the regular innovation one comes to expect of IPS.

It seems this topic is mostly about CleanCut (which we have renamed from beta to final since it really is quite stable and supported). Search has been mentioned which we have said is being worked on. Sure, there has been no specific blog entry about it just yet but that does not mean we are neglecting it. Just because we haven't said anything about an enhancement or new feature YET does not mean it does not exist. I think it would be a waste of time to post a blog entry saying "yup going to work on search" or chase down every topic it is mentioned in to say "yup going to work on search" when we could ... just be working on search in that time.

Everyone has their pet-project they they believe should have utmost priority whereas others could care less about that specific area. It is our job to balance those various requests and work on creating a good product. Just because someone is very loud about it does not mean we can deviate from our internal priorities

As for the whole "feature creep" thing... that's not at all true. Everything being announced for IP.Board 3.1 was planned back in December 2009.

I'm fairly sure the OP got Negative point's due to the way he (or she) is approaching the topic at hand..

Half Answers? If you know where to look I've seen them provide some pretty in depth and insightful comments and responses to Active customers


In terms to your comment saying its BS marketing talk.. No no its not, saying it's being worked on they don't have a final time line because it is NOT in beta yet.. That's like Apple saying "Oh yah, were in Alpha 2 right now on OSX 10.9, so it will be in FINAL   June 2rd.."  Won't happen, ever.  

As they create and code the new features to ensure it works into the software they announce it will be there, but until they've actually started designing it you wan't them to promise features they may not be able to deliver so people can cry about that to?  Guess what, they ARE saying when things will be implemented.. it's in a version basis, but they aren't just going to blow smoke saying features will be there because people want to hear it..  (Remember how pissed people were when WinFS wasn't available on Vista or 7?)

You're acting like they're out to dick us around, they have one of the most reasonable pricing and best support platforms for their products out of most CMS/Forum software providers (Go look at VB's support and pricing) including not charging for new major version releases if your keeping your subscription up to date.. This is not something that can be said for most of their competitors.

CleanCut is included with 3.0.5, it's an addon something your not paying for.. something they didn't HAVE to include nor is it in any way a Core Function or product of Invision.. But hey, if you want to whine about it being called a Beta when the template bits are all there by all means.. It doesn't mean its any less ready for the public and people who properly test things on their Production instead of just installing them because they're "final" would realize this..

.Wolfie, on 23 February 2010 - 04:33 AM, said:

Lets definitely keep this on topic.  I will be honest, I am tired of IPB giving half answers, meaningless promises that they do not follow up on, and in general saying enough to pacify us "until next time".  Lets not give them a reason to let this thread run and get off topic.  For once lets get IPB to stand up and make a commitment to us the customers.  Saying things like "it is coming", or "soon" is BS marketing talk for "we will get to if and when we damn well please".  How about a technology road map.  Say WHEN things will be added in.  I understand for business strategy to keep the long term road map private, but we (admins, webmasters, etc) need to plan too.  We need information ahead of time.  This is how business works.  I know IPB has grown from a small company to a medium sized small company, so maybe this is honestly new.  That said it is time to adopt some standard business practices like this (IPB, it WILL help your company and its products -- seriosuly).  If you announce a roadmap integration date and it slips, fine.  At least be honest.  If it will not be considered for the next release do not string us along like you have with cleancut for the last 8 months or more.

I have looked for a way to reorder the navigation tabs (green tabs at the top) and although I have found several threads concerning this, none of them have a really 'good' way of reordering the tabs without editing the template or using a paid for mod.

I have attempted to use the edit template solution and keep getting errors.

I find is frustrating that something simple as putting the Portal tab in the first position or getting the Home tab in the first position.

There has to be a better way, maybe I am missing something because I am new at IPB if so please point me in the right direction.

If I haven't missed anything, please consider making it easier to drag and drop the order of the navigation tabs with out template edits.

Thanks.

Jamie