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  1. This is what "points" are supposed to be. There is no absolute metric that applies to all communities as to what they deem valuable. It's why many have been imploring to add the same credits/points systems that every add-on developer has consistently created for years, e.g. vbexperience, et. al. The site owner puts value on the contributions they deem most important, e.g. a clip art community where you get 15 points for a photo and just 2 for a forum post. This way the person with a ton of points who seems "valuable" and is promoted to higher experience/user levels gets there because the most important type of content is rewarded the best by the site owner. And if reputation is part of the equation, e.g. high quality photos get 5 points for every +1, you've got the makings of a system that gets you a little further towards providing some metric that discerns your more valuable / contributing members from others. Thank you for opening up the forum for conversation. I think everyone appreciates your willingness to entertain discussion so as to take these things into consideration in the IPS board room.    
  2. If CC is going to be used then it MUST CLEARLY (a) delineate the breakdown of the content produced in easy and conspicuous fashion; and (b) enable the site owner with the ability to award/rate users using your own scale to determine what content is most valuable.  Personally I'd rather use "points" instead of raw content count. I don't think anyone gives a damn about content count without context. Having 7,539 "things" is a useless metric. It could mean 5,000 images a user uploaded to their private gallery. It's only meaningful when, at a glance, a user can see "oh... this dude has 7,400 posts and 122 files so he must be a very active poster of messages and probably a developer! Woohoo! And that is where assigning points to content for value can indicate - at a glance - which user is clearly more valuable based upon their content contributions. PS - I see "content count" is in your profile but "posts" is here in the forum. 
  3. I agree with the OP even though you do have a point. Perhaps "urgent fix needed" may be technically the most accurate. While I can appreciate your workaround I can say that on active or visible sites the notion of editing away mass spam is an utter nightmare. You'll spend significant time needlessly deleting automated entries or those created by human drones. It's why I haven't implemented certain features as of yet.
  4. GEO IP - Restrictions

    You get what you pay for with free geoIP, probably more useful for statistics and as a guide. Very popular are server level tools which also are updated and probably quicker and more efficient. Moreso, if you're concerned about preventing hacks and being exploited, the block would really need to be server level to be effective. I'd see such a software level implementation more useful as a registration tool for signups (which I think was a service under IPS 3) for preventing spam. That's about it. I think many would love to have options like this and also to include inserting subscription databases, e.g. the paid MaxMind database, but I don't know if this is near the top list of priorities for IPS core, perhaps sooner as an addon.
  5. cPanel access is crucial

    I would also suggest warning emails when you are approaching certain limits. Nobody wants to keep watching the dial and email notification is a very simple function which can alert both IPS and the client as to an upcoming issue -- and avoid problems like this from happening well in advance.
  6. GEO IP - Restrictions

    I think @Tom S. was in total joke mode. GeoIP can be complex to manage. Unless you have a regularly updated database, it will typically be approximate. GeoIP blocking or limitations are usually best managed on the server level. It's used more frequently for advertising and many packages have it, e.g. Google DFP, etc. 
  7. PS - If the word "content count" is to be used, then it should include private messages and comments, e.g. for files. And the word "content" is extremely awkwardly used:Your content will need to be approved by a moderatorYour "content" or "your comment"? The latter is appropriate. The word "content" is a webmaster word. Most users don't think that way and can raise questions as to what this may mean. I already see that there is a "post count" in these IPS 4 forums so I guess that we can assume that this is just a Forum Post count? No... it's not. I just added a photo to the gallery and now my "post count" in the forums is 951 when it used to be 950. I can't even see what my "stuff count" is unless I click on my user name in the gallery, unlike here were I can see it immediately. And when I do click, I get "content count." So basically what we have is one big terminology inconsistency guaranteed to confuse everyone more than what the OP seems to want.My goal is as follows - to have IPS 4 usable on my site so that my users aren't bombarding me with questions about understanding why things using my new IPS4 forum doesn't work the way they understand with IPS3 or any other place they visit. I peek my head in occasionally. I hope that I'm misunderstanding something at this late date and perhaps I am.
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  9. I understand the OP's grief. Users have had a forum post count for years. Suddenly after upgrading to IPS 4, the members who have loads of spammy blog posts and calendar dates and photos have twice the number of "counted stuff" as my most valuable members who have created 700 word articles and many forum posts. That's quite a surprise to have happen overnight and, TBH, not something I'd allow happen at my forums understanding the discomfort level of my members.I can appreciate what you say, Lindy, but the Admin is the site owner. It's his/her site. If he deems gallery submissions not valuable then Dan can see it the Admin's way or hit the highway. As an admin, you can't make every member happy. The paying customer who runs the site is king and I would think IPS would want to give maximum flexibility to the Admin to do just that and run their site as they wish. And with adequate documentation and the forums, there shouldn't be a support question. It's clearly an all or nothing proposition and users can be free to make a feature request (if there are even a handful that will ask for this) and you can easily say "probably not."Many moons ago I suggested something simple - a hover card which shows the type of content every user created when you hover over content count (which by itself, is slightly more useful than counting "actions" by users that includes page views, submissions, etc.) If you're not going to allow an admin to define what is important to them on their forum, then at least make this general content count meaningful and soon. Counting contributions by module is acceptable but should be standard and the hover card seems like a no-brainer. I respect that others will have another opinion. But I'm concerned that I'm having an increasingly difficult time keeping a good part of the status quo and having extremely little control over what seem to be pretty significant functionality on the site.
  10. Understood about the competition. I think virtually everyone with the Friends has the same issue here - the ability for users to create private content areas using a user-created private group to restrict one's content. For those who are using Friends for that purpose, whether you can come up with something that will accomplish the same and hopefully import those associations into your new privacy thigamajig. I understand that private content was something you were trying to move away from. And if the above is what you're considering accomplishing, it would help to know yay or nay because if it's a nay, at least customers know what to expect and interested customers can consider making a plugin right now. Being totally honest... I was planning on moving to IPS 4 because the extensibility of IPS 3's system of Friends/Private Content has no bona fide competitors - even the commercial scripts were mostly junk. So thanks and hopefully you can provide a commitment to certain broad strokes and non-secretive details everyone is expecting.PS - I'm really sorry about your iPhone problem. If you're going to regret anything it's your comments about how you kept trying to use Android phones but just had to go back to an iPhone. You could potentially face a lot more abuse for that. 
  11. Rome certainly wasn't built in a day!   Thank you most sincerely for taking the time out of your busy day to try to provide a very complete response. This should not be understated and a main reason why I'm still here. The release notes do show some willingness to listen of which you speak. But most of the foundation has been laid over the past 2.5+ years. Some of the changes were radical departures from the IPS 3 approach/philosophy. Choosing not to share these conceptual changes with the customer has nothing to do with the more public nature of open source software. It's about sensitivity to and managing expectations of customers. Imagine if a desktop software developer hyped its upcoming version in periodic blog posts with short videos of the product. Customers spent 2 years gradually upgrading their hardware based upon expectations -- only to find out on launch day that only web/SAAS versions would be offered!! I'm at a hard stop point even months after release of the beta on several fronts because of totally changing gears: I was shocked to discover radical IPS3 to IPS4 incompatibilities, such as Friends and basic forums. The Discussion Forum has no Best Answer option. The QA Forum has no viable discussion option, just a series of answers that go up and down. And IMHO, the QA Forum is still not usable because users will certainly try to have a discussion and it will render topics incomprehensible as I illustrated from a few minutes of use. And that there isn't any basic connection of the up/down and Best Answer out of the box - and that basic part really has to work or the users themselves will immediately be unhappy.I'm just one guy along with the handful of people who thought the same. You're right - you have thousands of customers and none of them nor this small focus group has complained. Perhaps it will all work out just fine and it's just a case of a couple of squeaky wheels. Or maybe not, we'll see. But right now I'm stuck not knowing how to resolve this and to get IPS 4 to continue the IPS 3 approach. I can't afford to wait even longer and invest on faith that somehow, some way, this will be worked out. And TBH, I don't see what airing out what you guys plan to do at this very late date makes much of a difference. After this many months, people are either impressed or headed to find software that solves their need, open source or not.... 
  12. The problem is that things like we're discussing aren't add-ons or anything that usually don't come connected that I've ever seen. If you've got Best Answers, Up/Down and LIkes, there is supposed to be a point to all of them appearing. It's not supposed to be there just for window decoration. And if you think a developer wants to tackle a project like this, good luck. Be prepared to cough up more money for each effort, which is far more work than it would be if in the core (and have it work for every add-on you've created.) And as you've pointed out, good luck getting customers to have their large sites rely upon the possibility that your dev guy has decided not to expend all that time. 
  13. The concept of rewarding users for their contributions have been around for as long as I can remember. After all, these are what the Reputation and User Rank systems are supposed to represent even in IPS... are they not? Gamification, Reward Systems, Awards, Toplists. For example, how can you have Reputation levels without tying in BA? I'm actually surprised that even this is considered a secondary thought thanks to current user suggestion. I guess opinions will vary. But IMHO - IPS 4 feels like it's goal is to be an incredibly versatile system that impressively addresses many types of UGC and community sites but doesn't plan to nail down all the essentials of any one in particular. Personally I'd rather have something that does only the fewer things it is designed to do extremely well.Looks great but these are almost always lesser compromises. If it's not in the core then the developer of a promotion / reputation system will only include functionality in the core and maybe a popular plugin or two. And each new plugin may not be created with a plugin in mind although they would if it was in the core. I used vBulletin for over 15 years and the greatest free system existed, without a doubt. But the developer couldn't keep up with all the different variations of addons that came out and eventually I had to uninstall it, leaving many unhappy users. My biggest fear is that an essential part of my site's driver and incentive system will live or die by the interest of a third party developer who may not see it as a dedicated long term project. 
  14. I mentioned this a while ago. A problem I have with IPS 4 is that it doesn't seem like the parts for promotion and reputation are connected nor do they work together congruently, e.gReputation =  Best Answer, Up/Down (perhaps the same as Likes) or Liked Post, etc.Content Count = individual content contributed, blog post, article, new forum topic, forum reply, file, calendard date, etc.IMHO, all of these should have an admin assignable importance level. The admin should also have a choice to promote based up either or both metrics. Haven't heard a plan to implement either.
  15. Where is the members list ?

    Agreed. Best example to me - "content count." To me it's a completely useless number as is but it forms the basis of a metric to IPS which makes total sense to them. I click on your profile and see a raw number. And if you look at any of the most popular modifications of forums that focus on breaking down member activity (like "points" or "levels") for the past 10 years, you can see how this typically works. I see none of this implemented in IPS 4, all of which would have ended up with a focus on Members and a Members page. In fairness, perhaps they may have a vision that is far clearer than my own. To me, IPS 4 is a different product than IPS 3 and I can't yet figure out what its focus and vision is exactly. It feels like a CMS without the focus on the dedicated CMS and on community participation without the focus on community. I don't have a feel for where it's going since it's all proprietary knowledge as it has been since it was announced.